I also see another side of CF that convinces themselves over and over and over again that the players on our roster are far better than they actually are. I would argue there’s way more of that here than the giving up early. I’ve seen that over every era of Rockets hoops here, honestly. On this site it started with Francis. Since Olajuwon, the best player this team has ever had was acquired from OKC….but there was a whole crowd here ready to tell you about how umpteen different players were superstars waiting to happen….and they’d consistently blame coaching or anything else for why that didn’t happen. Amen is my favorite player on this roster, but I don’t really believe he’s a superstar waiting to happen (first/second team all NBA)…but if he does that, I’d buy you a beer or a smoothie to celebrate it!! So if you’re asking the question among those 2, I go Amen….but that’s not me saying he’s going to be a superstar to build around…it’s me saying, I’m pretty certain Sengun is not that guy more than I’m sure that Amen is not that guy.
I created a very similar poll during the playoffs. It was said that it was unfair to ask the question at that time. Will be interesting to see if the results change much. FYI the board overwhelmingly voted for Amen in that one. I think Rafadoka agree with that assessment.
anyone building around either of these two is a fool, but I’d definitely rather have an Amen Thompson on my team than a Sengun the better question and the one that actually fits our situation is “Who would you prefer to build with?”
Both/either. When you analyze the type of player you add to build around Amen or Sengun. It’s just a good player to build with anyone. Fast shooters, that can defend and apply pressure at point of attack, pass, cut, dribble in traffic, run a PnR. Rockets fans act like we ran out: Cade Cunningham VJ Edgecombe Amen Thompson OG Anunoby Sengun and lost to the Warriors and Lakers because of the half court 3 point shooting, proving once and for all they can’t play together. The supporting cast is ass, Amen and Sengun have established stretches of playing very well together on both sides. If we keep shuffling around the talent at the top with all the hard jobs and not raising the job demands out of the supporting cast, we’ll just continue getting bounced in the 1st round.
I wouldnt choose either as they work well together. Amen is playing out of position and Sengun is being asked to do too much. I would get rid of Jabari KD and Fred. Move Amen to power forward and trade for a young point guard who can pass and some shooting. That is the smartest way to go. Keep your best young players and build around them BOTH dont put them against each other. Its a bad narative. The problem with Amen is Jabri is playing his position. I would do all this while staying active in the draft. YOU ARE NEVER DONE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND DRAFTING GOOD PIECES.
Amen But, I'm keeping jabari...and, Reed too. Everyone else can go out for quality young players and picks.
Except Jabari can reasonably make outside shots and Amen misses the rim from the corner….I say this as a huge fan of Amen. What you can’t ask Amen to do is play PG. He is not a good enough ball handler to overcome the fact he can’t shoot his way out of it. To me the bigger issue is that Sengun has to have the ball in his hands to be effective but he can’t shoot. So they can sag off him…the ball swings to Amen…and he can’t shoot so they can sag off him too. You’re making it so easy for the defense to contest high percentage shots in the paint when these guys can’t keep you honest. Then Sengun slowly moves into the paint and 3 guys are there….and no one can keep them honest. I hoped Reed would be the one to keep them honest, but not so far. If there’s one shooter on this roster, it’s Reed…but he has to be more consistent. And even if he is, no you don’t build around him either. But all of this is clearly Udoka’s fault…sure. Put the ball in the basket when you’re left wide open…everyone looks great and smart when you do that. But we don’t do that. We have to somehow scheme around the fact we have crappy shooters when we go against teams that bury shots. And the good folks at CF will tell you they can figure that out and they’re smarter than guys who are paid to do it. Come on. The roster is flawed becaue it doesn’t fit well together…blame whoever you want to for that, but at some point if you want to matter a lot in the NBA you have to to figure out how to make open shots….by the time you get to the NBA you’ve had a million coaches and skill experts help you, and that’s why you got drafted. On you to figure out how to make open shots. Wide open shots.
Fred proves you wrong on Sengun. He needs a pnr partner those two were our bread and butter last year. You guys have recency bias. Amen doesnt have to shoot playing pf, he would be in the dunkers spot/cutting/pnr offense rebounding. You just need a small forward and a passing pnr guard with these guys that can actually shoot. Jabari can barely shoot consistently and he cant get his own shot or dribble. If youre gonna be a shooter you need to be a good one. Jabari doesnt fill that and is higly overated here because of the playoffs. Again recency bias. I really wish this board/gm could see what I see. If they could we wouldnt have KD at all and we would have Lamelo last year instead and we wouldnt have worried about Fred being out because I wouldve made him 6th man anyway. Everyone said I was wrong on KD last year. Everyone was wrong.
lol. We all see what you see, just don’t agree on much of it. We are all very sure of our opinions, only time will tell who’s right.
Wait wait whoa whoa…I LOVE Amen in the dunker/slasher role!!!! I completely agree on that. That’s who he is…not a ****ing PG. Please play that role and then lock the **** down on the other end. That’s his highest and best use. I think we missed that because of the FVV injury. You’re right….a PG that could shoot too and play the PNR with Sengun would make us better. Would be great if we had that guy. We just don’t, and I’m not sure how we acquire that guy. Last thing…I’m not a Jabari guy….I just know he can shoot better than Amen. Turns out I think we agree on everything. I wouldn’t miss Jabari if we turned him into something of value. I just meant that I trust him more shooting…but I’d never choose to keep him over Amen. …sorry if that wasn’t clear!
Time has already proven me right on KD when the entire was telling me I was wrong last year and the same will happen with this.
we dont have anybody worthy of "building around"... we're still in the market for bpa - regardless of position... that said, obviously Amen lends himself to far more diff options than Alpi does... Utilizing Alpi as the focal point just paints u into too many corners... He certainly has some skills going to the rim... but inability to shoot from distance and mediocre defense is just a deadly combo... Amen also has poor shooting but can get to the rim and has great defense.. so yeh... i'd lean in to Amen... I also think Amen will become a decent shooter before Alpi...
Got it, my bad. I think people are making a huge deal out of a mid shooter just because we need shooting. You can get shooting and move Amen to the correct position.
So what on Kd? You were one of a thousand. I’ve gotten things right in the past and things wrong. Being right every once in a while doesn’t make you special. I was right on Banchero who I knew wasn’t anywhere near a max and wrong on Cade who I didn’t think was athletic enough to be as good as he has become (still not a superstar). When you are young, rebuilding team you have to take shots. Guys with the highest ceilings are the ones you lean into. Sometimes you are wrong (Jalen Green), sometimes you are right Amen .
Why are we keeping the guys that make bringing Aaron Holiday and Josh Okogie in for playoff games look like a good option..
I never said I was special and I didnt read the rest of that. cuz **** you. You are coming off as a troll. I see this post as a troll post. given two options on a complex situation is really stupid. You can choose not to build around either (the obvious choice since neither are superstars) or build around both. dumb thread.
I dont get the love obsession with Smith jr all of a sudden. I hope he proves me wrong. I just think Amen would be better there and we would be better getting knock down shooters around sengun and amen.
