[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

He's going to tell you that Iran can't be trusted to abide by a deal. He will then refuse to answer whether or not he'll support any deal that Trump may make during the ceasefire because it implies one of two things per his stance: either Iran has suddenly found integrity or Trump has been played by the IRGC.

Based on his posts, nothing short of a full-scale invasion and regime change war is acceptable.

 

Based on his posts, I have concluded that he has been lying about his stated iron-clad stance that Iran should never have a pathway to a bomb. What he really cares about is that whatever Trump does is good, including giving Iran a pathway to a bomb. Waiting for him to prove me wrong.

 

There lies your answer. It's one of the reasons why I stopped wasting my time discussing politics with him. It's those types that would believe Trump over their own daughter if she told them Trump sexually assaulted her, and Trump said she is lying.

 

Because it was a bad deal

 

The first sentence is true

The second sentence is bs. I've said before that if Obama, Biden were POTUS it wouldn't matter to me who made sure Iran doesn't get a nuke as long as they don't get a nuke.

 

I'm pretty sure you misread that, otherwise you just confirmed that you have been lying.

Also - you can still address this

 

Thanks for laying it out.

 

Here's the thing to watch for that we all know is coming.

Today at 8:31AM CST, Raining Threes and all the Trump cultists are saying that "The Nuclear Threat!!" is all they care about, and they trust Trump to wage a war the way he wants to wage it because the only thing that matter is that Iran NEVER has a nuclear weapon so we don't all end up in a nuclear apocalypse.

However...

You and I know that if Trump is going to get out of this war, which we all know he wants to get out of like yesterday, we know there will be some concessions on Iran's ability to possess a nuclear weapon. Iran will NEVER come to an agreement with the US that eliminates their ability to develop nuclear weapons anymore. They know its essential to their survival just like Nort Korea did, and they know that once you get one, the US won't touch you.

Trump WILL CAPITULATE on a nuclear deal to Iran to end the war. It's inevitable, and we can go back to May 15th at 8:31 AM CST and remind ourselves once again that these Trump supporters believe in nothing. They never cared about Nuclear weapons. Never will unless one hits their trailer park by some sh$tty man made lake.

 

Everyone here knows this is BS. I don't know your post history back in 2015 to know if whether or not you praised Obama for something you say now you care deeply about, but I know for certain that you have never once criticized Trump for tearing up the Obama JCPOA nuclear agreement which did prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb.

Everyone including yourself knows that Trump tore that agreement up, and created this crisis you think only the messiah Trump can solve.

You are full of sh$t. You don't care about nuclear bombs on the other side of the world. Nobody believes your crap. Go away.

 

OIOW my "team" said it was a bad deal, so therefore it must be a very bad deal indeed.

 

This about sums it up. The state of play, to me, seems to be:

• Trump has no stomach for a full-scale ground invasion of Iran. A boots-on-the-ground war followed by an indefinite occupation of Iran would go against everything he campaigned on. I don't think he believes in much, but he has shown throughout two terms that he does not want to enter into a new Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump likely thought he could pull off Maduro 2.0, but that failed. He was high on his own supply.
• We have learned that the Iranian regime cannot be deposed from the air and there is no consolidated military opposition within the country. Any serious pre-war analysis would've told you this.
• Iran is now demanding concessions it did not enjoy before the war like full control over the Strait of Hormuz.
• Trump is desperate for a deal and will be lucky to get one as good as the JCPOA which, just like @raining threes , he called a "bad deal" for years with no substantive critique.

The regime seems unlikely to fall and they have structured their society around hardship and conflict. They've been waiting for this moment for decades in a way that keyboard warriors in America, who have been wrong about every single foreign policy action in the history of this BBS, don't understand. They control 20% of the world's oil shipping right now and will learn, just like North Korea, that a nuclear weapon is the only thing that guarantees they won't be attacked again.

But, if you don't trust the Iranians to abide by any deal - which @raining threes says you cannot - then the only option is a full-scale invasion of Iran and an indefinite occupation. But, Trump isn't doing that. So surely @raining threes thinks that Trump is mishandling this war and committing a grave error by negotiating with Iran instead of toppling the regime.

 

Israel announces UAE and Israel are actually the same country.

 

there was never going to be a full invasion. I dont understand why people keep talking about this. I can only assume they are the only ones who do not understand the political and social structure of Iran.

the regime change attempt happened months ago. There was no appetite. The new strategy is to bomb the current regime into compliance - work with us or we will continue killing your top leaders as they mive up in rank

the US has the least to lose. trump doesn't need a deal. The rest of the world does. All you see is a 25% price spike at the pump. The rest of the world is seeing 2x-3x

 

Netaynhu won't want to stop bombing Iran, that's for sure. The ironic part of everything is Netanyahu gets Trump to fund them weapons and gives them more power to kill more civilians. They've killed more Iranian civilians than Iran has killed in Israel. The same goes for Lebanon and Gaza, and the numbers aren't even close.

I shook my head reading how Netanyahu wants to sue the New York Times for the article they reported about rapes by Israeli soldiers. Gee, as if it's not possible that guys who had no problem blowing arms and legs off of kids and killing mothers and babies wouldn't rape any of them. Just this week a far right group in Israel was chanting "Death to all Arabs."

I don't believe a word out of Netaynhu's mouth. He's committed so many war crimes upon humanity it's repulsive and disturbing to say the least. But, we support his madness, and he will never stop. Hopefully he gets booted out and someone better rules Israel down the road.

 

I understand that which is why I said that Trump doesn't have the stomach for one. It's the only thing that would've accomplished regime change which was one of Trump's stated goals in late February:

"The hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take"​

Trump hoped that momentum from the earlier protests would carry over to regime change on the streets. But, bombing didn't create a vacuum and there was no Northern Alliance to rush the capital.

This does seem to be the strategy. I'm not sure it's working, but we'll see.

I'd say Trump needs a deal. The GOP won't survive the midterms if gas prices continue to climb and the supply chain impact from this prolonged conflict will linger regardless of whatever deal is signed. People are seeing the impact in food costs, too, and every day the strait is closed is another day that prices rise and the global economy constricts.

 

Rocket River

 

I agree there was never going to be an invasion because insane, but Trump did at one point, demand unconditional surrender and whatever goals that were (inconsistently) stated the first few weeks would require ground troops.

I disagree with your contention that Trump doesn't need a deal. He desperately needs one. Or, at least any other President in his position would. Even if the strait were opened today, it would take weeks and months for oil to flow like it was before the war and every country that has an oil reserve has been going through it. Replacing those reserves will also keep prices high--but with no deal, the reserves run out soon and you get increased prices. It's a Catch 22 in the near term, but the longer you go the worse the long-term gets, nationally and globally. Now, whether he realizes this or even cares is anyone's guess. He may just ignore the whole thing as he rolls along stealing billions and billions for himself, his family, and his buddies. He may think he can just ignore 65% disapproval ratings and a Democratic Congress. It will not surprise me in the least to learn he just sold Taiwan for his personal enrichment.

In short, this is no President of the United States.

 

Trump is dumb enough to put boots on the ground in Iran.