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  1. Bandwagoner

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    You are from Ukraine? I guess that checks out.
     
  2. No Worries

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    Another war Trump will claim that he ended?

    Putin must think that Russia war effort is about to collapse, for him to float the idea of truce or some such.

    The careful reader will note that Putin mentioned "European security arrangements" which means Putin will be negotiating with the EU and specifically not the US. Ukraine certainly does not want security guarantees from the US since they have show to be untrustworthy.


    [The Hill] Putin says Russia-Ukraine war ‘coming to an end’

    On Saturday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the war between Russia and Ukraine is “coming to an end,” after more than four years, according to Reuters.

    The outlet reported that the Russian president told reporters that he believed “that the matter is coming to an end,” and stated that he was open to discussion about fresh European security arrangements.


    On Friday, President Trump said that he hoped the temporary ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine would go beyond the agreed upon three days.

    “I’d like to see a big extension,” Trump told The Hill’s sister network NewsNation when White House correspondent Kellie Meyer asked whether he planned to talk to Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on extending the ceasefire.

    Trump announced earlier Friday that Moscow and Kyiv had come to a three-day ceasefire, set to start Saturday to coincide with Russia’s Victory Day celebrations.

    “We have a little period of time where they’re not going to be killing people. That’s very good,” he said. “And they also agreed to give … a thousand prisoners back, so they’re going to be transferring almost immediately a thousand prisoners from each side. That’s very good.”

    Since the beginning of his second term, Trump has met with both Putin and Zelenskyy in person and his administration has pushed for an end to the war, to no avail. His relationship with Zelenskyy has also been rocky, with a tension-filled meeting in 2025 generating notable attention.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    Why would he need to negotiate with the US. That was the whole point of the protest - this is not the US war to be involved with in the first place. It's Europes problem
     
  4. No Worries

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    I accuse you of not paying attention.

    The answer to your question is that Trump inserts himself into everything because of ... reasons.

    Putin would need to negotiate with the US as a proxy for NATO ... if NATO was an ongoing venture. Putin would certainly get better peace terms from Trump versus the EU. The EU will likely demand all frozen Russian assets to be used for Ukraine war reparations ... and ... might demand some war crimes trials.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Lot of people (not just reliable Putin ass tasters @glynch @Space Ghost ) spent a lot of time in this thread assuming that if/when Trump took over the might of Russia's military machine was going to be the end for Ukraine after 3 years (now 4.5) of a 3 day war- despite that machine consisting of convicts, foreign slaves, and the surviving alcoholic wife beaters).

    Instead Ukraine saw what changed warfare using cheap drones and are now seemingly able to attrite larger Russia until it collapses (reminds one of the Strait of Hormuz - ooopsie).
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    I don't think about Trump 24/7 nor do i really care what he says.

    Ukraine is not NATO, so that is irrelevant.

    This is a war between Ukraine and Russia, not the rest of Europe. Not the US. If the US or Europe can help facilitate the end of the war, great. But stop acting like Russia is obligated to come to some agreement with the US or Europe. All Putin has to do is withdrawal his force back to the 2022 border and stop attacking Ukraine. If Ukraine wishes to continue to fight, then they can become the aggressors. But that will not satisfy the war mongers. You guys will want the the death count to continue.
     
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    You might not think about Trump 24/7, but you sure as hell do about anyone you perceive as anti-Trump and pro democracy. The amount of distain shown in every post at pro democracy supporters is bordering sociopathic. You have DDS for sure. Democratic Derangement Syndrome.
     
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    It’s also ridiculous to think that Trump isn’t going to insert himself in the negotiations to end the war in Ukraine if we are fortunate enough for that to begin to happen.

    Trump will want to do everything he can to ensure his handler Putin gets as much as he can, and try to take Zelensky down if he can in the process since he blames Zelensky for his first impeachment.
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    This is a suggested big brain scenario:

    Venezuela was less about a big brain move to punish China or Russia and more about having a stronger influence over its oil, including destabilizing Cuba.
    There was never going to be an invasion in Iran. Only ignorant people think this. its primary role was to disrupt Iranian influence and attempt to delete the fanatics found in the current regime. In addition, knowing this would create a supply shock in the world while gluts of oil build up that can not make it to market. Also, the oil suppliers being effected by the war are facing a cash crunch as they are not moving the oil.

    Once the oil starts flowing again, there will be a massive supply surplus on the market, thus crashing oil prices. Refineries will not be able to keep up with this glut of oil that has been locked up and ready to go to market immediately. So crude crashes. UAE is no longer part of OPEC so they can pump as much as they want, continuing to suppress oil prices.

    So while Russia gets a 90 day cash boost, long term they are fked. Expect some favorable deals between China and US to be announced soon. US needs China and China needs the US. Anyone claiming the US is trying to cripple and punish China is just dumb and probably voted for Harris.
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    I have a big problem with the DSA. You guys have completely co-oped and destroyed the Democrat party, just as the Tea Party and MAGA did with the republican party. All you stupid extremist suck.
     
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    Yuge, if true.

     
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  12. SamFisher

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    Trump can try all he wants but like he & JD fancy boy were whining about *he doesn't have any cards*.

    By removing support for Ukraine (and then idiotically getting into - and then losing -the Iran war which benefits Russia and destroys US military capacity) - Trump took the US *out of the game*.

    The US could have humiliated Russia into a huge L in Ukraine under Biden or even Trump, were he to double-cross pimp daddy Putin, who spends all day slapping him around; instead the US and Russia managed to lose in both places - great cards, great hands
     
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    I accuse you of not paying attention ... again.

    Only Trump knows why he started a war with Iran. At the start of the war, Trump did not given a reason why, did not list the war objectives and did not give an exit strategy.

    I can not rule a boots-on-the-ground invasion into Iran. Trump continues to double down on his bad decisions; it is his MO.
     
  14. basso

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    excuse me sir, this is Ukraine.
     
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    Interesting if true:

    NATO troops just finished a war games exercise hosted by Sweden with participation of many NATO members, including the US. Ukraine was asked to play the role of an invader from the east. Ukraine's drone strikes overwhelmed the NATO forces so rapidly that they called a reset -- three times in a row.
    https://bsky.app/profile/portlandken.bsky.social/post/3mlriicpk3c2t
     
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  16. dobro1229

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    Drones are basically mines for the air. It's insane.

    I would say the main issue in Vietnam other than the terrain was the ability for the Vietcong to make ground troop movements in the jungle a slog fest because of cheap mines, and booby-traps everywhere. Its a big reason why the US lost.

    If I was Taiwan preparing for what's coming at some point, the thing I would be investing in more than anything right now is the worlds largest fleet of drones. China could overwhelm them from initial bombing campaigns, but once they tried to land soldiers on the ground, have a plan in place to swarm them with drones at a relentless pace.
     
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    I believe it. there's been a revolution in warfare and NATO is not ready.
     
  18. Ubiquitin

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    Ukraine war is still raging on.

     
  19. Space Ghost

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    lol. You think we lost because of mines? Lol

    it certainly wasnt due to the RVN being highly incompetent and corrupt. And we only supported them because Russia backed N Vietnam first.
    Just like Ukraine is highly incompetent and corrupt. Russia taking over Ukraine would have just bruised NATOs ego, but nobody would care. And like Vietnam, they would have been much better off economically than the US stepping to to help kill an entire generation on each side. Everyone loses in war.

    nobody cares about taiwan anymore. Our chip fab is ramping up very quickly. China is about to soak up all of Taiwans outputs. No war needed. China gets their chips now and we near shore ours. Win win for everyone.
    the liberal brain is degenerately hard wired for a zero sum game and scorched earth policy. Only a loser needs a loser to win
     
  20. dobro1229

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    Countries using technology developments to learn how to protect themselves from tyrants trying to invade their sovereign land is somehow “liberal brain degeneration?”

    Dude you are fcking weird. Your democrat derangement syndrome has driven your mind off a cliff.

    Go touch some grass and seek help.
     
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