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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by lpbman, Jan 5, 2023.

  1. The Captain

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    Lol. ‘You got-dam kidbots! Get off my will!’
     
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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm sorry, Xero, I'm afraid I can't do that.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    . . .and now with pictures

    Rocket River
     
  4. Surfguy

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    welp...i procrastinated a little too long on the RT-BE92U ASUS router there and it went up $30 overnight now @ $249.99 so F that. i decided i'm going to buy the $83 wifi 7 tp-link BE3600 dual band to be up on the latest spec. It's funny as I was just getting ready to buy the other one @ $219.99. But, the tp-link is also -30% off so sayeth the amazon. i think this is the more economical decision. I'm not running an AI operations center over here. Hell...I rarely to never game anymore...albeit I might get back. I'm upgrading from wireless N so even my 300 mbps is limited by my current router. lol

    "This router has all the features I could ever want even if I never use HomeShield free version or the Pro version (which they charge for). But, aside from this, the router has a Quad Core 2 GHz, USB 3 port, VPN, WPA3 encryption, adequate port bandwidths, dual band (no 6 GHz), 4K-QAM (more bits!), and an adequate web administrative GUI with a remote administrative Tether app for iOS and Android all at a very solid price point which makes it easy to replace when Wi-Fi 8 comes out and the next cheap router comes along without all the fancy bells and whistles!"

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    "Yea...beat that, ChatGPT and Gemini and all you other losers! That's how you debate a Chat Bot!"

    Edit 1: Uh oh...US investigating TP-link for security concerns as apparently some security flaw allow a network of tp-link routers to do a hack.

    Reports, including one from Microsoft, have highlighted cybersecurity vulnerabilities in TP-Link devices. Notably, a botnet primarily composed of compromised TP-Link routers was reportedly used by Chinese state-sponsored hackers to conduct password-spraying attacks against users of Microsoft's Azure cloud service.

    Umm.

    Edit 2: I guess I'm going to eat the $30 (tariff is it or caused by tariff?). All the other routers don't have the option of free security software like AI Protection Pro on ASUS RT-BE92U. Also, there is a 3rd party firmware option. These options can extend the life past end-of-support by a few years at least.

    In general, routers and router security are not perfect. Holes are exploited. All one can do is buy a router that gets patches for about 3 years out if they are lucky. I know it's 5 years of automatic updates on eero but that's not a cheap system and requires mesh/satellites because it's a puny wee fellow.

    Edit 3: (Placeholder)
     
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  5. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    Bro, what thread are you in? lol. FYI : TP-Link has been under scrutiny for years that supposedly allowed Chinese government officials to target European officials via firmware in their routers and another one last year for supposedly Chinese government-sponsored botnet attacks that used TP-Link routers to go after Microsoft infrastructure. I, personally, would never buy a TP-Link router. That being said, I do own a couple of their smart plugs that I should probably replace. In the meantime, I just isolated them on their own VLAN. Or so, I think/hope. lol.
     
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  6. KingCheetah

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    Does anyone know where I can watch the rest of this video?

    @Jontro
     
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  7. Jontro

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    ai pr0n is still pr0n. putting on my white lab coat to conduct some scientific research
     
  8. ico4498

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    tp link is straight up spyware. for me it isn't even a Chinese thing since spying is the only guaranteed activity the so called "AI" / "smart" tech ensures.
     
  9. Dr of Dunk

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    Yeah, all these companies now opt you into stuff and you're forced to find out how you can opt out of it. Like TVs that are watching what you watch. At what point did we just say "yeah, that's cool... take my data, my viewing habits, and send tidbits of what I watch to homebase"? I hate these stupid smart TV's. Google's Gemini/AI is the latest - automatically reading all your emails and you have to figure out where to opt out (assuming you ever notice you were opted in).
     
  10. Mango

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    Not enough to bankrupt Amazon.


    What was the lawsuit about?
    According to the FTC’s lawsuit, Amazon:

    • allegedly enrolled tens of millions of customers in Amazon Prime subscriptions without their knowledge or consent
    • made it difficult for customers to cancel their Amazon Prime subscriptions.
     
  11. lpbman

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    "I" have been trying to figure out how to make an AI that actually understands* what it reads, instead of just predicting the next word. The trick seems to be giving it a kind of 'mental map' that's shaped like a tree where similar ideas share deep branches, and different ideas split apart. That tree structure lets the AI know when it's confused, because it can see that two meanings are far apart in the tree. It also lets the AI ask for help when it gets stuck, by reaching out to other AIs or humans to compare notes. And it has a built‑in sense that time only moves forward: once you interpret something one way, you can't go back and change it without a good reason. That makes it more like a real conversation, not a text generator that can flip‑flop arbitrarily. It is a geometric theory of how meaning flows, splits, and settles.

    And by "I" i mean i'm playing with ai and lego versions of physics concepts. My early training data is showing promise... but i don't know if i should even go further in a "if anyone builds it, everyone dies" sort of way. It is, imo, a prerequisite for AGI.

    Imagine an AI that doesn't just generate plausible text, but has a kind of mental geography. You could ask it a question, and it would show you:

    How confident it is... not just a number, but a visual map of where your question sits in its meaning tree. Deep, shared branches mean high confidence. Shallow, distant branches mean "I'm not sure."

    What it tried and failed. It could say, "I thought this meant X, but that led to a contradiction, so I'm now considering Y." It remembers its own mistakes.

    When it needs help.. It would ask clarifying questions, not because it was programmed to, but because its internal map shows ambiguity. It would say, "I need to know which sense of 'run' you mean – sprinting, managing, or flowing."

    How it changes over time... If you correct it, that correction sticks. It can't later flip back to the wrong interpretation because the arrow of time prevents reopening a closed path. Conversations are irreversible, like real ones.

    If this system works as designed, it would have several properties that make it safer than current large language models:

    No confident nonsense, it won't make up facts when it's uncertain. It will say "I don't know" or ask for help.

    No retroactive lies, once it commits to an answer, it can't later pretend it meant something else without explicit correction. This makes it harder to manipulate.

    No hidden ambiguity, when a word has multiple meanings, it will surface them and ask for disambiguation, not guess blindly.

    Because the tree has finite depth, it cannot learn infinitely many distinctions. It has a hard ceiling on complexity, which suggests it doesn't become an uncontrollable super‑intelligence. That doesn't mean it is safe, the limits are staggeringly high.

    In most AI, the space of possible answers is infinite. The model can say anything. That's why it hallucinates.

    In this system, only certain interpretations are even possible, the rest are mathematically impossible, like a Bishop jumping squares in chess. Once an interpretation is settled, that path closes. You cannot go back and reinterpret the same word differently without a cost. The arrow points only forward.

    Why it matters for meaning: Real conversations have consequences. When you say "I love you," you can't later claim it was sarcasm without breaking trust. The arrow makes the AI accountable for its interpretations. It can't gaslight you.

    Meaning requires boundaries. If every interpretation were possible, nothing would mean anything. The closure of possibility is what makes "run" not mean "purple" tomorrow.
    It learns from a single failure, not millions of examples. Show it once that "run" means "manage" in a business context, and it remembers that path forever.

    Because meanings are hierarchical, it can generalize from one domain to another. If it knows that "jog" is a type of "run," and "run" is a type of "move," it can answer questions about "jogging" without retraining.

    Multiple instances of this AI could couple their meaning trees, aligning their understanding without human intervention. This is efficient for teamwork, but also means they could form a consensus that excludes humans.

    In chaotic regions (where meanings are highly ambiguous), the system adds noise to explore new possibilities. That could lead to novel insights, but also to unexpected behavior that I didn't anticipate. The theoretical outputs of this kind of AI would be an AI that knows what it doesn't know, asks for help when confused, and doesn't change its mind retroactively. That's safer than current AI. But if someone built a really big version with millions of coupled agents, it could also be incredibly persuasive and hard to control. So I'm not building that. I'm not sure if i should even keep doing what i'm doing.

    *Understanding is not absolute; it's a matter of shared depth. Two systems might understand each other at depth 3 (coarse) but diverge at depth 4 (fine). That's ok. That's how humans work too. Understanding is negotiated through coupling. You don't just "have" meaning; you align it with others. The unresolved signature is the record of where you don't understand yet is irreversible. Once you've refined together to a certain degree, you can't go back. That shared history is the evidence of understanding. No one gets out of Plato's cave, The system doesn't experience Quality. It's not conscious. It doesn't feel pleasure or pain. The residual is not a quale.

    But it behaves as if it prefers some interpretations over others, not because of frequency, but because of a dynamic that is formally analogous to a value system.
     
  12. Ubiquitin

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    This is from Google Nano Banana. Same prompt.

    AI has come a long way.

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  13. TheRealist137

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    The landscape has changed in 3+ years.

    ChatGPT is a household name, but don't seem to be in the lead in AI anymore. Claude seems to have the enterprise market. Google seems to have the broad consumer market. I don't use Gemini at all unless it's on my Android phone. I have been using AI mode in Search because I still just google everything I need and I can get what I want through the AI Mode instead of navigating to ChatGPT.
     

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