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  1. adoo

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    why wouldn't you, unless you've programmed to believe that property tax is not a tax burden

    it appears that StupidiMoniker has been misguided by the Tax Foundation that property tax is not a tax burden.

    Property tax is a tax burden; the data is kept at the local level. the state doesn't get a piece of the property tax.

    what you've posted doesn't make sense, when you consider these underlying facts

    to the extent that the tax foundation data, which doesn't include property tax collected at the local level, is not sufficient for it
    to reach its concludion on total tax burden. however, it is sufficient for income/sales tax burden.

    the tax foundation got its data from the states, but none from the local county level.

    you're confused and all mixed-up on this.

    the state of Texas, just like Calif, doesn't get a piece of the property tax.

    property tax (in Calif, Tx and other states) are assessed and collected at the local level; in Calif, it is at the county level.
    in the OC, where i live, this is a breakdown of where the local property taxes go

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  2. adoo

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    an update as of may 2026, based on data compiled by rocket mortgage, Texas has the 7th highest property tax rate, Calif is the 37th highest

    • Texas's effective rate ~ 1.58%
      • for a home that sells for $303K, the tax bill is $4,790
    • Calif's effective rate ~ 0.78 %
      • for a home that sells for $303K, the tax bill is $2,149
     
  3. DaDakota

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    It isn't for a HOME that SELLS for in Texas it is an estimate for what it might sell for, so you are paying unrealized gains every year.

    Cumulative the Taxes in Texas are higher than California, but people are too stupid to notice or able to compare.

    DD
     
  4. adoo

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    since then the undecided voters, mostly Dems, have made up their mind.

    as of the last day in May, 2 days before the election day, the latest Emmerson college polls show
    1. US-borned Becerra, Dem, leads at 28%
    2. US-borned Steyer, Dem, at 22%
    3. foreign-borned S Hilton, Rep , at 21%
     
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    What? I said it is included in the tax burden, and that the numbers I gave included property tax. How do you get from that to me thinking it is not a tax burden? Are you okay?
    The Tax Foundation includes property tax in their total tax burden. I even gave you a link and explained how you can find out what is included. Again, your response is just nonsense.
    The rates are determined at the state level. Who assesses the tax or what budgets it is used for is irrelevant to the determination. The Tax Foundation included state and local taxes (an average of local taxes where they vary within the state, like sales tax in California).
    What I have posted makes perfect sense. That fact that you think it doesn't leads me to believe you don't understand it.
    Once again, it does include local taxes. That's what it tripping you up. They are including property taxes. For some reason, even though I gave you the link, you think they aren't. Probably because you didn't bother to check.

    I addressed this above. You are very confused, probably because you didn't bother to look at the information provided. Where property taxes go could not be less relevant to the tax burden.
     
  6. adoo

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    just to be accurate, in Texas/Calif and other states, the local assesor office
    • appraises the property value
    • bills the homeowner, (appraised value X the effective property tax rate)
    • collects the tax payment
     
  7. adoo

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    for the education of StupidMoniker, when the tax foundation says its data include state and local taxes, it is referring to
    "income tax" at the state and local level, not property tax. some cities/counties (such as NYC) has income tax.



    you said there is no need to look at property tax


    you're fooled by their sleight-of-hand verbiage by the tax foundation. by "state-and-local taxes", the tax foundation is
    referring to "income tax" at the state and local level, not property tax. some cities (such as NYC) have income tax,

    you're confused and all mixed-up, as evidenced by your comment "like sales tax in Calif", in no way is property tax like sales tax.

    that's where you're fooled by the tax foundation. the tax foundation got all its data from the states, who do not have the local property tax data.

    the property tax data are monitored/maintained at the local level. the state is not involved. Calif has 50 counties, over 200 for Texas.
    the tax foundation did not get any property tax data from these counties.

    you've been fooled by the tax foundtion.


    there in lies you ignorance. the appraised value determined what property taxes are, it is the most relevant component.

    the local counties have the appraised value and their corresponding assessments. the states do not have the data

    don't be stupid !

    you can be as ignorant as you want to be, like Sarah Palin saying that can see Russian from her backyard.
     
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  8. adoo

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    the tax foundation is referring to "income tax" at the local level, not property tax.

    you conveniently / wrongly assume "tax at the local level" to mean property tax, attributable to their thru their sleight-of-hand verbiage,
     
  9. StupidMoniker

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    Incorrect, it looks at income, excise, property, sales, business, and capital gains taxes. You would know that if you looked at the information I helpfully provided to you.
    You might want to read again what you quoted. I said there is no reason to ONLY look at property tax. The funny thing is you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of doing (focusing on one tax to the exclusion of others). I am in fact including all taxes.
    Still wrong, as you would know if you looked at the link.
    Sales taxes vary within the state of California. There is a state sales tax (constant) and municipal sales taxes (variable). So my statement is once again correct, the Tax Foundation uses an average for taxes that vary within the state (like sales tax in California). Nothing in that sentence compares sales tax to property tax. You are perhaps not very good at reading.
    The tax foundation included property tax in their calculations. You would know this if you looked at the information provided to you.
    You have made this up in your head, because you couldn't be bothered to look.
    In order to know the individual tax owed by a property owner, you need to know the rate and the assessed value. In order to know the rate of the property tax, which is the same across a group, you only need to know the rate. In order to calculate a statewide total of property tax, you need to know the rate and the average value. The appraised value of any particular property at the county level is irrelevant to determine the total tax burden percentage at the state level.
    I'm @StupidMoniker , there goes your poor reading skills again.
    I already schooled you on this last time it was brought up. Sarah Palin didn't say that. She said there is a part of Alaska from which you can see Russia (which is true, and I even provided you the link last time). Sarah Palin was stupid to claim that this somehow provided her with foreign policy experience, but the statement is factually correct.
    It is not, which you would know if you went to the link provided. This is obvious, because they have a separate table that only looks at income tax. They also have a separate table that only looks at property tax. The table made reference to looks at income tax, property tax, excise taxes, business tax, etc. I can only give you access to the information though, I cannot make you read it.
     
  10. adoo

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    again, you're fooled by the tax foundation.

    only the local assessor offices have the property tax data. Calif has 58 counties. over 200 for Texas, and so on,
    the tax foundation did not get the data from these assessor offices.
     
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    Gov Newsom's successor


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