Alperen Sengun Numbers vs Jokic : Does Sengun take a leap?

That's the thing about Sengun, his early career trajectory has been very similar to Jokic. I believe he can still improve like Jokic did, but probably will never reach the heights of the Joker. Ultimately, being a bit smaller, he absolutely has to lean into the fact that he is far more mobile than Jokic. He will need to learn to shoot better like the Joker for him to be more than another Sabonis. If he can do that, he won't be what Jokic is, but he can definitely be an all-star player for years to come. Look at what people were saying about Jokic early on, the criticism is eerily similar as well. Heck, some grouchy posters on our board still call the 3x MVP and NBA champ overrated even today lol.

That being said, Sengun just can't keep having a season like last season with so many up and downs or he will rightfully be traded. Next season will be critical for his development and needs to improve his shooting. He needs a better coach that can utilize him like Malone did the Joker, and while at it, lets get a new GM. No more DFS and Tate type of players next years, we need role player shooters to open up the paint, not just hustle and grind defensive specialists. Ultimately, whether Sengun stays or is traded, I just don't trust the Udicker and the Stoner to improve our team anymore than they have.

 

Jokic wouldn’t be as great a facilitator if he had to do it from the top of the circle like Sengun. Sengun has to develop a 3 pt shot to become an elite offensive player, period. He does not have the size or foot speed to become more than an average defensive player.

 

Uh, when did Sengun ever average 22 ppg or 7 apg? And when was he ever that efficient? On 2k?

Did you really just sit here and post fake stats?

 

lol

 

Wow he fully did as well, that's crazy. Here's the real stats:
Sengun "age 23" (This season)
20.4 Pts 8.9 Reb 6.2 Ast 1.2 Stl 1.1 Blk 56.9TS% "All star"
Jokic age 23 (2018-2019)
20.1 Pts 10.8 Reb 7.3 Ast 1.4 Stl 0.7 Blk 58.9 TS% All star, All-NBA 1st team, 4th in MVP voting.

Also worth noting that was Jokic's 4th season, it was Sengun's 5th. It's hardly the same trajectory tbh.

 

Idk what’s worse, posting fake stats, or thinking nobody would actually notice

big yikes to this thread…I can’t stand when people just make sh*t up

 

Can't say he does or doesnt.

Ill say theres nothing on the trade market that is better than his upside. Ill not forgive this organization if they trade him and keep Twitterfinger.

 

Looking at the actual numbers, Sengun was closer than I would have thought. Still a tick behind Joker in every category though. Worth mentioning that scoring is up leaguewide about 4% since 2018-2019 too.

The other thing to mention is that Joker had already, during his age 22 season, shot 39.6% from three on 3.7 attempts per game. So far Sengun has never shown us he can be a real three point threat. If he'd had a season like that already there would be more of a perception that he could do it consistently at some point soon, and views on him as a player who you can build a team around would be a lot different.

 

That’s crazy. The closest I can surmise is that it’s Sengun’s per 36 numbers vs. Jokic’s actual numbers, but even that doesn’t appear to fully line up.

Sengun’s numbers are pretty impressive and compare favorably on their own with Jokic. Why sabotage your argument with fake numbers? You are inadvertently dragging your hero’s name through the mud!

 

The reason people use specifically that jokic season and not others for this comparison is it’s jokic’s least efficient season. He put up a 105 TS+ that season (better than any sengun season) but for jokic that’s poor. His 2nd season he put up a 116 though which is batshit insane.

 

Is it his stats after turning 23? I.e., after his 23rd birthday, so like half a season?

 

Not even.

These were Sengun's stats through just 11 games at the start of this season.

His stats for the other 61 games were all worse: 20.0 / 8.7 / 6.0 with 1.1 steals on 56.3% TS.

If I can editorialize for a second...I think Sengun is an empty stats guy who will never be the #1 or #2 on a serious team. We need to move his ass before it becomes blatantly obvious to the rest of the league, if it hasn't already. But that's just me.

 

y’all will do anything to try and compare Sengun to Jokic including comparing a few games of Sengun to Jokic’s entire season…sorry I don’t lap up that BS

We have Sengun’s full body of work at age 23 plus his pathetic playoff showing, so what was the point?

What’s next? Sengun has similar stats to Wemby?

 

Senguns little paint floaters and hooks are a lot less reliable than Jokic's. I don't know why but Jokic's appear to go downward, making them fall more softly into the basket whereas Senguns go up a little making them more erratic. I think that's the biggest difference in their midrange scoring. Is Jokic much bigger than Sengun or does he do jump more on those shots allowing for the difference of trajectory?

 

Jokic is bigger and actually shoots the ball when in the lane. Alpi just throws it up and hopes it goes in. Alpi needs to get his shot back in the lane or his day as a near all-star is over. I think he will get his shot back and think he also has a chance to be a mid 30’s 3 point shooter. Just don’t know when it will happen.

 

Thx for making that clear...
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Key Differences

• Scoring & Playmaking: The image overstates Şengün’s 2024–25 scoring by 3.3 points and his assists by 2.5 per game.
• Efficiency: Şengün's real TS% for that season was approximately 55.9%, lower than the 59.9% shown in the graphic.
• Context: While Şengün's stats are good for his age, Jokić's age-23 season was his first All-NBA First Team selection and he led his team to the second seed in the Western Conference. [1, 2, 3]