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Bigger Miss - Green over Mobley or Reed over Castle?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ChillyPete32, May 17, 2026.

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Bigger Miss Green over Mobley or Reed over Castle?

  1. Green over Mobley

    93 vote(s)
    49.2%
  2. Reed over Castle

    96 vote(s)
    50.8%
  1. CantStopJG24

    CantStopJG24 Member

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    Doesn’t matter who we draft, we’ll never develop them. Both our coaching staff has been an utter joke since post Harden.
     
  2. ChillyPete32

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    I think this take is trying to have your cake and eat it with doomerism to an extent. For the "no legitimate avenue", the Mavs would have one of the worst situations in the league had they not won the lottery last year. The guy you want to undo the Rockets entire rebuild, including future draft assets, to go back in time and trade for was picked 21st. We're going to potentially get a few more cracks at a top pick with presumably flatter odds after lottery reform, and that's even putting aside Sengun, Amen, or Reed potentially jumping a level or two. Plus if all these teams supposedly jump the Rockets we're going to get more cracks with our own picks.

    For Maxey specifically, I'm pretty sure Daryl has done this "I would have offered more" routine more than once. We also don't know if "more" was Maxey or less protections on picks or something like that. Also, what if while Stone is trying to get Daryl to include Maxey, Brooklyn gets cold feet? It's a delicate balance with stuff like this. That Brooklyn package was very good. And even if Daryl would have caved, if the goal is to maximize title odds and you are comparing these two scenarios I think the latter is going to generally give you a more realistic path to putting together a championship caliber team.

    Maxey + Simmons and maybe being a mid-tier team picking in the 9-15 range (losing the 2021 pick to OKC)

    vs.

    3 years of tanking for top picks before the OKC bill fully came (#2, #3, and #4 picks), #17 and #24 pick in 2022, the #3 pick in 2024, the #10 pick in 2025, and the rest of the draft comp still coming (2027 PHX, 2027 Nets swap, 2029 best two of our own, Dallas and PHX). In fairness, there's a little chicken/egg on the tanking because if Stone takes Mobley or Barnes in 2021 we're probably picking a little lower in 2022 and 2023.
     
  3. xtruroyaltyx

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    I dont think there is any way in hell Maxey was in play and if he was there was 0 chance the Rockets wouldve passed up Maxey out of spite.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Castle with a triple double tonight 17 points, 11 assists, 11 turnovers
     
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    I think he will most likely get injured but what I’m watching is the best player ever. mj and Bron could not score on this guy. It’s ridiculous how tall he is and how he moves. If he wins it all at 22 with this team would be insane.

    Besides Harper who is so young. I’m not sure if anyone on this team is even good. Like if someone were to trade for them they’d look much worse
     
  6. rpr52121

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    This thread is missing the point. Mobley is not the most important player for his team.

    Even if you think Castle will be really good, the best player on that team is Wemby and Harper will eventually be pushing Castle for 2nd best.

    Rockets have never found their alpha player that forces other teams to try to change how they play the Rockets.

    In private, I think even Stone will tell you that, and every pick they made was trying to find that player. Because until you do that, nothing else matters.
     
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  7. madmaxu

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    While both were egregious misses, picking Matt Maloney over Castle should be a fireable offense. Castle was already a proven winner at the collegiate level and had size to guard 1-4 and great feel for the game. I don't understand how picking an undersized soft shooting guard made sense for a defensive minded team like ours. Do you know when was last time a 6-3 and under white guard was picked in the top 3? 1970s. 50 years ago! Unless Trump orders that every team must have an American white guy on the team then this pick made zero sense.
     
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    I hate to say this as Reeds mom.

    castle
     
  9. bustamove

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    Barnes, Wagner
     
  10. rpr52121

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    Barnes is No. 2. (Meaning yes he leads the Raptors right now, but on a title contender he is at best a No. 2.)

    Maybe Wagner could but he can't stay healthy to know for sure.
     
  11. MadMax

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    This entire thread is about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
     
  12. rpr52121

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    The point of the Reed pick was the idea of his ceiling being higher. Everyone knew his floor was lower than a player like Castle.

    For example, even an undersized shooting guard, if he can go 5/12 from 3 point most games, that affects how teams guard you way more than Castle being able to break down a defense.
     
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    While probably true, this would be before the Titanic hit the iceberg.
     
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    Well we've seen Jalen is actually worse on another team than his absolutely putrid performance on the Rockets. Which honestly I never thought in my wildest dreams could be even possible.

    Can the same be said about Reed? A high IQ player, would he be just as bad in another system? The answer is no.
     
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    Coaching staff was even suspect during most of the Harden era to be fair. Dantoni never really had plan B's/C's. He either won with his style or not.

    McHale was basically a version of Udoka.
     
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    well Castle is #3 maybe #2 at best on a title contender
     
  17. madmaxu

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    Ok even if I concede that offensively Matt Maloney has slight higher ceiling because of the three point shooting that still doesn't warrant the pick given the day and night difference on defense. Castle can guard the top guy on the other team while MM can't even guard the third stringer.
     
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    Are Ty Lue and Atkinson the best coaches Harden has ever played for?!

     
  20. madmaxu

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    People defending Reed pick please watch this Spurs vs Thurder game and tell me Reed would play 1 second in this game for the Spurs. I don't understand the argument that Castle is a #2 or #3 behind Wemby, so what? Where would Reed be?#13? Is there any world where Reed becomes a #1 option on a good team? This guy is clearly closer to Matt Maloney than Steph Curry or Mark Price.
     
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