Bigger Miss - Green over Mobley or Reed over Castle?

Silas, Ime, and Ott all gave JG all the freedom minutes playing time chances shots

 

It sucks that all the rebuilding teams we drafted along with had deep play off runs.

Its almost depressing that if we don't play our cards right we wont win anything for the next 10 years with the spurs being so young and already so good and OKC's multiple draft picks for years to come.

 

Stone should have been fired for Mobley because Mobley did not want to come here due to Stone's pet project KPJ. They had beef from USC (KPJ violence) and Mobley's dad did not want his son to play with the KPJ led Rockets.

Stone is an idiot

 

It's way too early to make a call on Reed v. Castle.

Mobley v. Green was a pretty massive miscalculation, but I continue to maintain that if we had drafted Mobley, we probably don't end up with Sengun.

 

Neither. This team didnt and still doesnt have a 1A star. Neither does Cleveland.

If you want to say was not getting Wemby+Castle a miss? Then sure you can call it that at that point. Steph Castle and Evan Mobley isnt fixing **** on this team.

 

The West will be run by OKC and Spurs (once again) in the next 5-10 years. Rockets aren't going to be competing against them unless they luck out on a good coach, gm, and franchise player. Just enjoy watching the team play. We'll all still be here making stupid threads like this, lamenting our bad luck and terribly ran organization.

 

Definitely Jalen over Mobley. Granted, we have a ton of hindsight at this point, so that's an easier call. Jalen's been in the league for 5 years and he is what he is. Maybe he finally makes a leap next season or the one after, but I doubt it.

The jury is still out on Reed. He actually had a pretty solid 2nd year(which was basically his rookie season) and he's only 21 years old. There are certainly deficiencies in his game that may never improve given his physical limitations, but that jumper is legit.

My fear with Reed isn't that he won't pan out. It's that he'll wind up doing so on another team since our organization is run by idiots like Stone and Ime.

 

Green is a draft bust, Mobley isn't.

As to Castle and Reed, have them swap teams and we'd be calling Castle a draft bust and the Spurs would be even better than they are now.

 

Doesn’t matter who we drafted when you have John Lucas Sr and Ben Sullivan and Royal Ivy as their development coaches and Ime as their head coach.

1 year in PHX and we already see the improvement and development of Jalen’s midrange game which was nonexistent with the Rockets

Mobley would be placed in Bari position where he may be a better defender but he’s a worse shooter overall and folks would be complaining about that

I always felt Reed numbers in college were an illusion - if he hit his first 2-3 3pt shots .. he would keep shooting but if he missed his first 2-3 3pt shots he wouldn’t shoot another to protect his %

Stone once again got fooled because he prob never really looked at the tape and the Rockets scouting department seems to suck majority

Stone is the same person who thought KPJ was next Harden, who drafted TyTy Washington and Josh Christopher and thought he made a huge find in Nix

 

Yeah, I've said that repeatedly about the Castle/Reed debate. If Reed falls to the Spurs at #4, he'd be absolutely torching the league right now. That organization would've A) played him heavy minutes in his rookie season, B) placed him in a system that gets him a ton of quality open looks, C) given him a lob threat in Wemby, and D) allowed him to swipe all day long for steals with Wemby protecting the paint behind him.

Like I said in my previous post, I think Reed is gonna be a very good player. I just don't know if it'll be here. This is a horribly run organization that's done virtually nothing to develop any of its young players. My fear is they'll take the lazy way out(which seems to be Ime's MO) and just trade most of these young guys for vets.

 

Well, I mean he went 2 so nearly the entire draft class....

 

Damn, that's pretty good! I remember Hollinger really liked Alpi, but didn't recall he had Barnes and him related above Green. I really wish we would have taken Quentin Grimes instead of Josh Christopher. That one hurt me as a UofH grad, but not as bad as us passing on Clyde back in the day.

For me it's Green, but I think something we can all agree on is that we suck at developing prospects. We haven't done a great job of developing or using any of our young guys. A coach's goal should be finding ways to optimize a player's talents, while minimizes his limitations. I can't say we've done that under Silas or Udoka.

Green has amazing athletic ability, but can't seem to realize his potential. Perhaps the more he matures he'll begin to realize that potential, but it's also just as likely he remains a streaky athlete that flashes stardom, but consistently delivers an average to below average outcome for his contract.

Too early to truly assess Castle vs Reed. Castle has stepped up and the glimpses I've seen in the play-offs look really good. He's been developed and handled much differently than Reed. He also has a generational player as the foundation of his team. SAS and OKC series will be a fun one to watch. Stone and Udoka should be watching this series and taking notes on how we need to build and grow our team to compete with these young dynamos.

 

I will say Green over Mobley and or Barnes. As many of you feel about about Mobley's contract and his stagnant development, he was still an All-star, a DPOY, and a second team all nba member. The immediate two guys after Green had gone on to be all stars

What if Reed is just a better Sam Merrill?

 

Steph Castle is the Spurs franchise player.

 

Jalen Green was supposed to be 6-5 with a 7 foot wingspan. That's why i had him even with Mobley. I wavered A LOT and eventually decided Mobley was the better pick.

The Rockets had access to his actual measurements. They should have known better.

They drafted an inefficient 6-3 guard with maybe a 6-5 wingspan over a 7 foot tall obvious otherworld defender with the ability to guard 1-5, handle the ball and do a backflip. They did this because KPJ spoiled the well.

Stone has made a ton of boneheaded decisions and really is a below average GM. I cannot believe there are moderately smart people who are fans of this team who think Stone is good to great.

1. Not trading Harden to Philly for Maxey and Simmons. I don't care that Simmons didn't pan out. This was the better package at the time. Maxey is better than anything from the Harden trade. Focusing on Oladipo in the Harden trade despite whatever the organization says. They saw him as MAJOR piece to the trade. I had direct screen shots from the organization stating this.

2. Not keeping Jarrett Allen (Christian Wood redundancy, insane) not keeping Caris Levert (valued Oladipo more)

3. Drafting Jalen over Mobley. AND SCREAMING IT TO THE HIGH HEAVENS. It was telegraphed.

4. Drafting Jalen's BFF over Quenten Grimes, JFC man c'mon.

5. Telegraphing that Paolo was the pick. It was embarrassing how obvious it was. Should have just traded to #1 and drafted Chet.

6. Reed over Castle. I would have done the same. I'm not a front office member, I'm a layperson. They should have known better.

7. Trading for KD TOO soon.

8. Hard capping the team for DFS and ****ing Clint Capela.

9. Not trading Tari for Ayo.

10. Not setting Amen and Alperen up for success and therefore lowering both of their values.

11. Not getting a PG as soon as Fred went down.

12. Going on Ryen Russilo's podcast.

I think i could go on and on but Stone kind of sucks and sadly so does the entire organization at this point.

 

Everybody is still mad about this - but Grimes is on his fourth team already. He's played in New York, Detroit, Dallas and Philadelphia. My suspicion is that it wouldn't be much different if he were drafted here and we'd have parted ways with him long ago.

 

It's pretty simple how Castle would fit. You build with that guy and trade the others. See Cleveland for an example.

 

I don't know Will, at least he's still in the league and showing some potential as a solid part of a backcourt rotation. It is curious why he's been moved so much, so I looked into it and...

Although this cites Reddit and YouTube (from Google), it indicates why he may have moved so much. The short YouTube clip is from a Philly fan and is interesting because it mentions Morey choosing Grimes over McClain. So maybe you're right, he's got a little entitled attitude and it's impacting him fitting into a team construct.

"Quentin Grimes has not had major, documented off-court discipline or locker room chemistry issues, but he has faced notable on-court friction regarding his role and playing time.
Frustrations in New York
During his time with the New York Knicks, he notably voiced his frustration with his inconsistent touches and limited offensive opportunities. He expressed that standing in the corner waiting for infrequent passes made it difficult to find an offensive rhythm before being pulled from the game. This tension ultimately led to him losing his starting spot and being traded to the Detroit Pistons.
Contract Disagreements
More recently, during his restricted free agency as a member of the Philadelphia 76ers, Grimes and his representatives drew attention for holding out for a lucrative $25 million annual contract. The contract standoff became a major point of discussion among fans and analysts as he remained unsigned going into the season, which some speculated impacted his play and court aggression." Google