[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

 

It’s mid-May. What happened?

 

The crazy old man just posted this after yet another of hundreds of his reflecting pool. Oh sure Donald, that scenario is pure fantasy. You are batsh*t crazy if you believe for a second that would happen.

"If Iran surrenders, admits their Navy is gone and resting at the bottom of the sea, and their Air Force is no longer with us, and if their entire Military walks out of Tehran, weapons dropped and hands held high, each shouting “I surrender, I surrender” while wildly waving the representative White Flag, and if their entire remaining Leadership signs all necessary “Documents of Surrender,” and admit their defeat to the great power and force of the magnificent U.S.A., The Failing New York Times, The China Street Journal (WSJ!), Corrupt and now Irrelevant CNN, and all other members of the Fake News Media, will headline that Iran had a Masterful and Brilliant Victory over The United States of America, it wasn’t even close. The Dumacrats and Media have totally lost their way. They have gone absolutely CRAZY!!! President DJT"

The only one going absolutely crazy is you DJT!

 

One day the posting will abruptly stop and it will be the sign he has died.

 

Well, that or he had had another stroke and can't type or talk anymore. That would be worse than death to him. Would they spoon feed him McDonalds burgers from a blender?

 

That must be an old pic because he looks 20 years older now.

 

This. I don't think that Trump ever was serious about a ground invasion in Iran. He badly miscalculated many things about this -- but I don't think he ever intended to send large scale US troops into Iran. If he were to do that, he would have already done so.

The problem is that bombing alone has very limited upside when you are attempting regime change or coercion.

Yeah - this was a massive miscalculation by this administration. It appears that they really believed that bombing in coordination would spur regime change, It was a foolish idea.

With the President not willing to send in ground troops, and the Israeli's cowards -- basically all the US can do it attempt to make like for the Iranian government hell to the point they capitulate. The problem is that the Iranians are used to suffering and the USA isn't.

The fear is that in the meantime something happens to escalate the conflict.

Trump and the American people are not measuring our loss relative to the rest of the world. Trump does need some sort of deal that is just good enough for him declare some victory and leave. If he had that, he would have already left and would be working on issues he finds more interesting.

This "event" hasn't been good for the USA at all on many fronts. Hopefully it will keep future administrations on both sides more restrained. Then again a lot of people believe we are on the cusp of invading Cuba - so who knows. A successful capture of Cuba would change the headlines domestically, which is really all the administration cares about.

 

Mike Johnson is one of the most disingenuous people I have come across in a long time.

Lindsay Graham and Rahm Emanuel come to mind --- but Johnson is the worst because Graham and Emanuel know they are scum.

 

I am not as optimistic.

Trump could claim victory and walk away. Whenever Trump ****s something up, his MO is to walk away and blame someone else.

There is the sticky problem on Iran now controlling the Strait of Hormuz. Iran will basically use tolls on the Straits to pay for reparations on the damage Israel and its puppet state did in the war. Afterwards paying back the reparations, who knows? The tolls will be easy money at that point and Iran may not walk away from that.

With the Straits oil traffic severely restricted by Iran, the global price for oil will be high. The price of gasoline at the US pumps will reflect this.

Trump can declare victory but the price of gas will not come down. The only solution to high gas prices is to open the Straits by military means ... and that mean boots on the ground invasion plus occupation, that lasts for years and years. An invasion would take months of preparation. The full unconditional surrender of Iran would take even more months of fighting. At this point, I do not see the Straits being open by the November election. And it will take over a year before the global oil supply returns to normal and gas prices come down. (I will admit that this is all based on some very optimistic assumptions. If the US misjudges Iran as badly as Putin misjudged Ukraine ...)

The easiest thing to do would be to maintain the new status quo. The US will block Iranian's Straits blockade, at a very high burn rate. The price of gas will only go up. The Rs will lose the 2026 elections in a real historic blood bath. Trump without control of one or both houses of Congress will become a lame duck President. Trump's only way out will be to have lower gas prices and hope the 2026 elections break in his favor, both incredible long shots.

Trump may see the only card he has left to play is a full-on invasion of Iran. Trump is not a smart man and he is not well informed ... which has lead us to the current situation with Iran. I can not rule out Trump making another really, really bad decision.

 

Remember when Reagan made a deal behind Carter's back with Iran to **** Carter in the '80 October Surprise so Iran could get a measure of revenge on the sititng American President?

Pretty sure Trump has no idea, but I bet the Iranians remember the heady sense of power from influencing American politics for vengance, and I bet they are dreaming of recapturing those halcyon days.

I'm pretty sure even if there was a deal to be had, Iran is probably more interested in ****ing over Donald Trump at this point than anyrhing else. I'm not Iranian but I imagine ****ing over sitting American presidents is national origin story. It'd be like giving an American a legitimate reason to reenact Paul Revere's ride. You do it just to take your place in the nation's historical narriative.

It would surprise me greatly if Iran would even begin to negotiate in good faith before the midterms are lost for Donnie, maybe not before the next president replaces him.

Donnie's mistake is he believes everybody is like him - running a political grift as part of a plan of self-enrichment. He can't understand anybody operating from other first principals. Meanwhile, the mullahs get three years on the soapbox with everybody watching them go toe to toe trading punches with the Great Satan, more priceless than diamonds.

 

You can’t rule anything out for sure. Just because we know Trump gets bored and that’s why long ground invasions are unlikely doesn’t mean it’s out of the question. We don’t even know many of the special forces missions that are already in the works or deployed for strategic missions.

At any point we could get a report about an overnight mission went array. That’s really the way the US military has operated with the wars in Afghanistan, Syria, and Yemen in the past few years anyways. Point being, we don’t hear about on the ground troops being deployed until they are killed unfortunately. So who knows how many ground troops are already deployed just not in any real danger at the moment because of our overwhelming effective technology, and infrastructure.

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Also on Trumps miscalculations, I think the main thing Trump and his minions were expecting to happen is for Iran carry out terrorist attacks or straight up attacks in response that killed US military and civilians in a way that would have gained political rally around the flag support.

So I do believe they actually were planning on MORE troops on the ground. Not just a bombing campaign and navy maneuver to blockade. So you can’t say that Trump will never put boots on the ground when at least IMO that was the plan all along when in their planning they inevitably thought the American people would be yearning for blood and some bad ass kills from military heroes later to be played by Mark Whalberg.

 

TACO Tuesday is back!

"I have been asked by the Emir of Qatar, Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud, and the President of the United Arab Emirates, Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, to hold off on our planned Military attack of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which was scheduled for tomorrow, in that serious negotiations are now taking place, and that, in their opinion, as Great Leaders and Allies, a Deal will be made, which will be very acceptable to the United States of America, as well as all Countries in the Middle East, and beyond. This Deal will include, importantly, NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR IRAN! Based on my respect for the above mentioned Leaders, I have instructed Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, The Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Daniel Caine, and The United States Military, that we will NOT be doing the scheduled attack of Iran tomorrow, but have further instructed them to be prepared to go forward with a full, large scale assault of Iran, on a moment’s notice, in the event that an acceptable Deal is not reached. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP"

 

Rocket River

 

This is really good. The Democrats need a lot more messaging with music like this.

 

Guess I’ll be canceling my trip to Dubai.

Iran formalizes Strait of Hormuz control and toll collection


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-announces-new-body-to-manage-strait-of-hormuz-11962513

 

come on man, u know their lives worth so much more than american lives....

 

The Democrats have Gavin Newsom handling their messaging and, well, that's pretty much it. I guess there's AOC and Bernie. After that... it's random celebrities, television personalities, and the occasional soundbite from Obama.

The party needs their own wakeup call.

It's not enough to oppose Republicans. It's time to stand up and stand for something.

If they can't figure that out they're just going to lose whatever ground they have handed to them in the fall. Assuming the other side relinquishes power...

 

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