Bigger Miss - Green over Mobley or Reed over Castle?

To me the Jalen one by far is the biggest miss. Because it wasn’t just one player. There were so many guys drafted below Jalen that we coulda gotten. While Reed was in a terrible draft class.

Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Jalen Johnson, franz Wagner, Trey Murphy.maybe even kuminga.

 

Stone just selects whoever all the draft experts have projected at his pick

if we had the #1 overall pick in 2022, we’d still end up with Jabari

we didn’t even get a workout with Mobley…we didn’t get one with Castle either…we also didn’t get a workout with Scottie Barnes

 

Jalen was the bigger bust, but if Reed doesn’t take a big step next season I may have to revisit this. I can rationalize the Jalen pick. But they didn’t do a good job developing him. Putting him in that bsckcourt with KPJ for the first couple of seasons with Silas was terrible judgement on Stone’s part. The verdict isn’t out on Reed yet, but I’ll admit that I would not have been supportive of drafting him at that size if I knew his handle was so mid. Reed’s got something special though. I’m worried Ime is not the right coach for him.

 

From memory it was a "1-2" draft with Cade then Mobley

Picking Green meant he HAD to pan out. And he didn't.

 

I still can't believe the real filipino stud ended up being Dylan Harper instead of Jalen Green

 

Castle is great bc all he does is pressure the perimeter and funnels it into Wemby…. He wouldn’t be nearly as successful without Wemby..

 

And Reed is succesful at what? Castle can only create it off the dribble for himself and his teammates. Castle would be great with or without Wemby. Hes miles ahead of Reed. Hes also not a defensive liability like Reed.

anyways I remember pretty vividly that Mobley refused to even workout with Houston cause of KPJ. His dad wasn’t a fan of KPJ or the Rockets. Jalen was a miss but not one to lose your mind over. He still had his moments. Reed is just a miss.

 

I'll go with the Green one because I feel like that's more close to being settled.

Both of those guys are basically young vets and I think what you see is what you get with them now.

Green is a sparkplug player you can add to your team, the peak of him is probably Jamal Crawford, someone you just insert into a game to get buckets, but when he's off...he's really cold. When he's hot, he looks like the best player on the court for those moments.

Mobley is what he is too. Which is lower level all-star player, all-NBA defender, so obviously much better and more valuable. He also is going to fit most teams you put him on.

Castle is better than Reed right now but like I've been saying...Reed's played all of one season and that one season was not 'bad', he showed out and showed he could play NBA minutes and the lineups he played in, he DID help the team. I feel like we're just forgetting all the good he's done for the team just because someone else from his draft class is playing well. Like we still have no idea what this guy will be and are evaluating him on one season of play.

 

Green over Mobley, that was the foundational pick of the rebuild.

 

With Green - at least he had the physical tools to be a great player. Just never put them together consistently enough to be a high usage lead guard, it's a fine margin and he's on the wrong side of it.

Sheppard - too small and not athletic enough just by looking at him. The Rockets putting out that they think he's Steph Curry rather than Seth Curry just shows how much Stonetitta get high on their own supply. They drafted for need here, and are trying to convince us they took the BAP when it's obvious he's not every day

Or instead - our last recollection is the Lakers series in which he missed a zillion shots & got repeatedly played off the court due to his physical limitations

 

y’all keep repeating this lie even tho he’s balled out all season in the games Wemby has missed both regular season and postseason…

if this isn’t cope, Idk what is

 

Both wouldve sucked under Ime

 

Reed may have actually been insane alongside Wemby & the spurs cast.

 

Hindsight is 20-20. We didn't go against the consensus either time. It's not like Nick Caserio who consistently keeps reaching for offensive linemen who fail. It's difficult to find fault with our draft strategy even though the results are underwhelming. This is crying over split milk.

 

Green over Mobley. Green was always going to be slight of frame, when most of the dominant scorers who weren't 3 point bombers were thicker guys.

Reed over Castle remains to be seen. Castle has a competent coach and offensive system, while Reed has whatever non-existent offensive system Ime thinks he's installed. I remember the conversations before that draft and a lot of analysts doubted Castle's 3-ball and also doubted that he had the chops to play point guard. He was projected as a versatile wing defender who would be great in transition, but most analysts were cautious about Castle's offensive potential because the NBA has seen so many athletic guards with limited shooting skills who never develop those shooting skills. With the Rockets already having Amen and a center who doesn't shoot the 3, it wasn't clear how Castle would fit on the Rockets.

 

Green over Mobley was huge.

But, Reed over Castle has the POTENTIAL to be in the same ballpark. Let's hope not.

In both cases, there were plenty of guys that were better.

We really are held hostage by this regime.
Stone and Ime need to go.

C'mon Tilman.

 

It's too early to call the Reed/Castle thing, though certainly trending toward "miss" right now. Give it one more season.

I do want to point out in this conversation that Evan Mobley is getting paid supermax money (average annual value next four seasons: $55 million) to be Evan Mobley. I'm not sure which hurts the organization more, missing on the second overall pick or paying a #3 option like he's a superstar.