[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Your knowledge of global economics is lacking.

 

They had a path to a nuke

 

The JCPOA was a bad deal

 

I don't acknowledge that JCPOA prevented a pathway to a nuke.

 

Again, we could’ve just sat this whole thing out and let Israel done the whole thing.

 

So does Belarus and/or every other country on Earth

 

Your point is?

 

We would run out of bombs before we ran out of countries that have a "pathway to nukes".

 

This is a partisan talking point.

Trump only started using this talking point after all of the others he tried failed to land.

This talking is not about policy; it is about messaging.

 

I agree @Francis3422, we should have stayed out of this Middle East mess. It's costing us billions and Israel just does what the hell it wants, ceasefires or not. We don't trust Iran, Iran doesn't trust us, Israel doesn't trust Iran, and Iran doesn't trust Israel. To top it all off, we've given Iran and their terrorist supporters even more reasons to hate Americans, and seek revenge down the road. They don't need nukes for that.

Iran lies, Trump lies, and Netaynhu's word means nothing. They just negotiated a 45-day extension of a “ceasefire” that has been violated continuously, and within hours are right back at it again. They've issued new forced displacement orders for at least eight villages in Lebanon, with these orders now covering about 14 percent of the country’s territory.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...l-extend-truce-tehran-ready-for-more-us-talks

 

No we wouldn't

We can always make more

The fact that you are ok with Iran getting a nuke says a lot.

 

It's not about talking points, it's totally about the message. The message is under no circumstances is Iran going to allowed to develop a nuke under Trump's watch and I'm fully on board with this. You should be too.

 

That deal removed the pathway to them having a nuke.

They are closer to a nuke now than they ever were under that deal

 

Yet they're closer now than they were before

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say | Scientific American https://share.google/mj7w25jfZmBn6ekn5

Expert discusses Iran's nuclear capabilities before and after the US-Israeli attacks : NPR https://share.google/atxhbHTQQzQhZdEKT

 

The US (by some estimates) used half of our stockpile on Iran, for a month worth of bombing.

Most countries can be on their way to nuke, if they so chose. Almost none of them would be responsible nuke users.

We can make more bombs. We can kill 75% of the world population under the guise "they can't get a nuke. But can we get them all before one of them gets a nuke? I doubt it.

This an argument in bad faith, that Trump has made and that you have accepted. The argument can be restated ... "either you are with us and you are against us".

BTW, to hold this flimsy opinion, you have to ignore a whole bunch of facts:

We had a deal in place to prevent Iran from getting a nuke in the short term. If all parties behaved themselves, the deal would have been extended.

Trump played the "black man bad" card and canceled the deal. Trump claimed that he could get a better deal than the bad black man Obama. That deal never came.

As soon as Trump canceled the deal, Iran is back on track to getting a nuke. This is on Trump. Connect the dots.

This is what Bibi wanted. Without a deal, Bibi could claim all sorts of nonsense and bomb Iran whenever he saw fit. Here, Trump is carrying Bibi's water. BTW this make the US a puppet state of Israel.

In 2025, again at Bibi's request, Trump bombed Iranian nuclear facilities. As the US bombers left Iranian airspace, Trump truth-ed out that the Iranian nuclear capabilities had been eliminated. Trump did not know for sure, but that did not stop him from truth-ing.

Trump never gave a reason before he committed the US to fight the Iran War with Israel. After the fact, Trump float a continuous stream of reasons until he landed on "Iran can't get a nuke", which is more nonsense.

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified under oath to Congress that the US did not have intelligence backing up Trump's claim that Iran was about to get nuke. Where did Trump get that "intelligence" then? From his perhaps dementia addled brain, it appears.​

 

You already acknowledged it. You said the pathway occurs "when the agreement ran out" ... meaning while the deal was in place, the path was blocked. Iran could not and did not have weapons-grade uranium under the JCPOA. You're lying, unable to acknowledge basic facts staring you in the face, confused about what you actually said.

 

He's Thick as a Brick. Facts don't matter. All that matters is Trump's version of reality to him. It doesn't matter what you say about anything. In his mind Trump is always right.

 

6M ago, there was never going to be a war with Iran. Trump absolutely would not start one. He may continue pressure and limited strikes, but a full war - nope.

As if anyone knows what Trump would do. I don't know if he even knows what he would do. Nuking them included. This is a guy who doesn't think through anything, believes everyone is out to get him, and is up tweeting nonsense until 2am.

I don't think he would do it, but he's Trump.

 

He cares more about Trump than about Iran not having a bomb. If Trump leaves tomorrow with a JCPOA-lite deal, he would be fine with it. Probably rationalize it with at least Trump had the guts to try while no one did. Something dumb like that.