[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

One's a troll the other an idiot, you want amusement keep @raining threes off the ignore list. No serious conversation is to be had with either which comes as no surprise I know.

 

Nah, I don't find him amusing. I pushed the button after it got to him going full on board committing genocide. As far as what other troll you are talking about I put on ignore awhile back I'm sure.

 

Are you able to address your position at all, or are you going to continue to deflect?

You've acknowledged two things: Iran should not have a pathway to a bomb, and the deal prevented that pathway while it was in effect.

So why did you support Trump killing the deal? By doing so, you supported giving Iran a pathway to a bomb.

That tells me you actually care more about supporting what Trump did than about what works to prevent Iran from having a pathway to a bomb.

You can't address this because you can't acknowledge what that makes you ... more of a Trump worshipper than an Iran bomb opponent. Prove me wrong.

 

Well they obviously weren't

Does this mean we should just let them make a nuke? For me this isn't about Trump. I would be on board if Obama/Biden were doing this. But I guess your world revolves around all things Trump.

 

Yep me not wanting Iran to get a nuke is freaking hilarious.

You sir are either selfish, shortsighted or an idiot.

 

I'm getting there with all the #winning with wars, inflation, and restriction of rights it isn't as enjoyable anymore. "You can't argue with a stupid person they will drag you down and beat you with experience."

 

So me not wanting Iran to get a nuke makes me part of a cult? If so I'm gladly part of the no nukes for Iran cult.

Obviously you're all for Iran getting a nuke and that's idiotic IMHO.

 

It just gets old. No matter how many ignorant, self-serving, unconstitutional, hateful, racist, bigoted, hypocritical, disgusting, perverted, or illegal things Trump the pedo protector does, they always defend him. There comes a point when you realize it's a waste of time debating anything with them. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that even war crimes upon humanity and genocide are justified now in their eyes if Trump is the one ordering the killing of them all, babies, mothers, and school girls included. "No Mercy" as they say. "Turn Iran into glass!"

 

They are the same as they ever were. Just read Lincoln's Cooper Union Address. Nobody has said it better. A few highlights that just need a few word substitutions to be current:

 

Thanks… what’s causing the identity is that before there was never one single unifying brand identity for those cultures and communities. Some folks like country music, some were involved in their church, some were into military cosplay. What the MAGA cultural brand did was really unite those communities under one roof. It has been super effective.

But yeah it’s about community and belonging imo. When I go to these church picnics in the Schulemberg/Flatonia area you just know that if you were to step out of line there and say that you were a democrat or something like that, the place would go as quiet as a cemetery and everyone would look at you like you were from another planet.

So imagine being an 18 year old in those communities and having some questions about life, and maybe wondering if maybe what you’ve been told all your life was true or not. You wouldn’t dare question that in front of your friends or family because you wouldn’t want to feel like you would lose that community.

Hopefully that’s insightful. I just want people to realize that it’s not easy enough to assume that just because you have to pay 100 dollars more a week in gas that you are going to risk losing your entire identity risking alienating yourself from your friends, work pals, church friends, family, etc etc.

It would kind of make me feel sad for these folks if most of them I’ve met kind of suck.

 

The billionaire bosses didn't give **** about these folks educational or physical fitness before they ran short of canon fodder. I guess we might need to expand these wars and programs when AI makes most of American unnecessary.

 

I grew up strict Pentecostal in a very cult-like church. Muslims and the agnostic/atheists were 'souls to be saved'. But those Baptist! No saving them. They knew the truth but refused to comply. Sadly that is how the Republicans and Democrats view each other - Americas who should know better but refuse to comply to the others standards. Very cult like mannerism on both sides.

Some of them most jaded democrats i know came from religious backgrounds.

 

Whatever you are blabbing about here has nothing to do with anything I was saying.

Community and the cultural identity of that community supersedes tax policy, health care, foreign policy, etc. I’m not placing judgement. I get it. I can understand and empathize why let’s say an 18 year old in La Grange maybe has questions about the world but shuns that part of his brain off when he’s with his boys when they go drive their trucks into the country or go deer hunting, or when they go to the church picnic. Community is powerful and something humans long for especially nowadays.

People are asking the question of why Trump supporters vote and vigorously support policies that blatantly hurt them and makes them take issues that directly counter the stance they just took weeks ago. IMO it goes back to community and the tribal nature of the culture of those maga communities.

Your attempt to both sides this is nonsense, and shows how shallow and lazy your activism is. There is no liberal Democrat overarching community that even compares to maga. In your made up BS reality all of us like get together and have antifa rallies or something where we pray for golden statues of Kamala Harris.

Maybe there will be a populous movement that comes out of all of this as a revolutionary equal but opposite reaction to maga but that does not exist now in any way shape or form. Even your clown a$$ knows that but you need that narrative to spin your crap.

Go away.

 

Bitcoin - Trump was pro Bitcoin (and I am not referring to crypto or Trumps crypto scams). Good legislation is currently being voted on (Clarity Act) that will help impoverished nations get access to USD and bypass corrupt government regimes. Harris refused to take a stance because Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were against it. All the big banks were also against it. As @sw847 points out -

I am glad I was fortunate enough to be on this side of the fence, but I believe the way the American hegemony abuses the rest of the world with its monetary system is wrong. This has been going on for over 50 years. We are currently in a great unwind and the state of current politics is a byproduct of this process.

Space Exploration - Trump administration has been very supportive of this initiative. I have no doubt Harris would have let Sean Duffy stay as the administrator. Duffy wanted to continue the slow and arduous development of rocket technology, leaving it in the hands of of the legacy military industrial complex who were more interested in getting money from the government than actually building useful technology. Trump has since replaced him with Issacman, who intends to utilize the new kids on the block such as Blue Origin and SpaceX.

AI - Trump administration was very pro business on the AI front. The Biden and Harris administration wanted to approach this cautiously, (at the behest of Dario) selecting the winners by regulating what would be allowed to be released. They wanted heavy government oversight. Trump was the opposite - full steam ahead for everyone, equally. The Trump administration was very supportive of bringing new energy generators online. Yet again, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren oppose these new data centers for AI, despite Amazon, Google and other companies have been continuously building them for years.

While Harris would not have been disastrous, her administration would have slowed tech growth tremendously. Our tech sector is what keeps the economy going and prevents us going into free fall. It would have been 4 more years of the same **** that has been going on for 50 years.

Otherwise, Trump is a dumpster fire but he is not getting in the way of the topics i find most important.

 

Ok. I tried to have a civil conversation with you but all you can respond with is anger and insults.

 

If that’s your attempt at having a civil discussion then I don’t know what to say. You couldn’t help even in that post layer in as much condescending crap that you could. Let me strike up a “civil conversation” with someone while insulting them and insinuating how high and mighty I am. Really inviting discussion to be had there.

 

Then why do support the person that pulled us out of the Iran Nuclear deal?