[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Yeah nah i agree, america is definitely not the first, but by far the most influential in history. Problem is current world order is america's decisions is a world decision (almost). Every foreign/financial/political policy america does affects everyone. In fact the most affected are america's allies because we are so co-dependent. Americas interest rate, exchange rate, foreign policy, etc affects us all, especially small countries like NZ. we did nothing to deserve trumps ****, but have to take on the consequences of ****en dumb ass decisions by americans

 

Sure, what we do is more consequential to the world. That doesn't make us smarter, more rational, or less evil. We have all the same human frailties as other peoples. Sorry were making New Zealand suffer. But if the shoe was on the other foot, it is every bit as likely that New Zealand would make us suffer.

 

Pure gaslighting

His own Tulsi G said the exact opposite, we were told that the last bombing set them back decades. The only reason the talking point of "Iran can't have Nukes" is because the admin is stuck and now they have to have a reason. Where was this talking point during the campaign, the first term or right up until they needed to "sell" the war and hell everyone is afraid of Nukes. It's the same reason when tariffs were first in place plenty on this board were fine with paying more as long as it brought MFG back, its not and they need a new talking point which fox happily delivers for the orange man.....and because you have these a$$ kissers trying to show trump that there his lap dog, they go to every news outlet and they all say in unison......we will never let them have nukes.

But it's OK for N Korea to have them, they don't care for us so much so are they next, are we the world police here, I thought they ran on the exact opposite, but we all knew his promises were a lie

Prices spike due to tariffs - I`ll pay more to get MFG
Gas prices skyrocket - I`ll pay more for the greater good, Iran cat have Nukes!!

This a war we didn't need, he thought he would go in bomb the hell out of them, and they would capitulate like his cronies do on the daily. But come to find out they've been doing this awhile and now were stuck and now we have to have new talking points

Last thing, Israel wants this so they can send their sons and daughters on the ground and we will do tactical. I am tired of doing the bidding of Israel and I am past dam time that we give them Billions on Billion every year...................pull up your bootstraps boys, well give you a helping hand but not at the expense of Americans....................PS, when do we start to make America great again??

 

I like to keep up with politics, but I don’t post in here a lot because it’s a little bit hostile.

my whole point of view on this situation is kind of like this…..

Iran obviously it’s not a friendly country. That being said, even if they were to develop a nuclear weapon, it would probably essentially be a crappy version or a dirty bomb.

I hate to think like this, but that device is probably not making its way to the United States. It probably just ends up getting deployed on Israel. that would be very unfortunate and very sad.

I don’t disagree with how Iran has been dealt with, but we could’ve let Israel do the entire thing. we could’ve provided a little bit of intelligence, but for us to inject ourselves into the situation was unnecessary in my mind.

 

Nobody wants Iran to have nukes. Nobody is supporting Iran. Most everyone recognizes that this war is not the best or only way to deal with Iran. Most everyone thinks bad decisions, including going to war, were made without thought, knowledge, or preparation. Most everyone thinks the information coming from this administration is much less than the truth about our current situation. Very few trust this administration to make good decisions going forward. Most everyone sees the direct link between unaffordability and this war.

It is the obligation of all Americans to participate in civic life and speak out when the country is being driven over a cliff. War discourse is not so much partisan as it is a WTF? version of self-preservation. Only those who refuse to see reality and conflate Trump with country are cheering this on.

 

Nah you are right. But TWICE??? lol that is whats confusing me...didn't we all had to deal with this **** nearly a decade ago? we all know what trump is going to do, we all know he lies consistantly and his only goal as the president is to make himself, friends and be is***l's little b****...maybe its cause im not american, I just can't get my head around how/why he was elected again.

 

Look at @raining threes we have some of the most uneducated, willfully ignorant dumbasses in the world located here. I'll never trust them again...

 

Two words: Kamala Harris

Turns out America would vote for Trump over a r****d.
Out of a hundred million people, Democrats offered up a r****d as their solution. And you are still confused? I can only assume you a r****d yourself

 

I agree. I probably just phrased it wrong, but in my mind there shouldn’t have been a war that we were involved in.

Israel would’ve done this with or without us. we interjected ourselves when we didn’t need to. I would rather every dollar we spent on Iran either have been saved or been routed to supporting Ukraine.

 

I mostly agree. I think the deal that we had in place with them was fine and I do not like the fact that it was broken by Trump.

that being said, even with a deal of that sorts do I think that Iran would have some sort of secret program, yes, I do.

no matter what happens they will have some sort of secret program off to the side.

my only point is simply that we did not have to involve ourselves in this. Israel would’ve done the dirty work without us having to be involved. that’s all.

yes, I would’ve kept the diplomatic agreement that we had previously in place and monitored them to the best of our abilities, but if they want to make a weapon at some point, they will make a weapon.

I think the United States should flip the switch on the entire world and destroy their entire nuclear arsenal.

 

Man you have become such a nasty poster

 

damn, guess you must be one of those who voted trump? of a hundred million people, trump is what republicans put forth? something wrong with your system if are forced into a situation that is to pick the lesser of two evils and not the most suitable leader for your country.

 

I feel like you aren't even trying in the D&D here, wake up! Trolls are a dime a dozen...