Rockets acquire Suns picks, return Nets picks to Brooklyn

Stone needs to stay put and don't trade anything from 2027

 

1.) how much improvement? as long as they're bottom 5~9 the picks are still super valuable
2.) no guarantee of improvement even if they "try to win". the Kings won 40 games in 25', tried to win (including acquired Dennis Schroder in Sn'T), ended up winning only 22 this year.

1.) you have the cap space doesn't mean you can sign any free agent(s) you want. we had cap space before but couldn't get Bosh/Dwight/Lopez/...
2.) how do you know Sean Marks would have foresee NAW improves this much and over spent to sign him?
3.) which "max contract" they could/would be adding? you proposed James Harden that I don't believe they would have given a max contract to bring him back to Nets nor i believe James along can make them a play-off team.
4.) you mentioned they were 9th worst with Bridges. they would made the Bridges trade regardless, replace Bridges with NAW/Schroder/Grimes wouldn't make them better imo.

* you just answered yourself, a swap is "an option to exchange picks", exchange means you sending out a pick for another pick.
its an option you sending out your lower pick and receive back a higher pick.
in your example "we exchanged our FRP for Nets FRP(to get Reed)", you sending out 1 pick for a higher pick, 1 in 1 out, how difficult to understand?

* if you would have to give a Nets pick in the KD trade and that's more valuable than KD's value, you can ask for other assets back, ie a 20ish FRP or something else you feel equals to the value.

 

The point is Stone should had never gave nets their pick back, this draft is deep with many players that can be franchise changing.. KD only has a few years left when we could have 8 years of a potential top 10 player.

 

The Nets are in the East, the Kings are in the West. The East is called the Leastern conference for a reason teams like the Pelicans, Jazz and King would win 5+ more games if they were in the East and faced teams like Wizards and Indiana 3x instead of OKC and Spurs 3x. Even Memphis which only won 25 games is still better than Chicago or Bucks without Giannis.

NAW only signed for 15M thats not exactly an overpayment 18M would get him in Brooklyn.

My point about Bridges is to show you the Nets can build a mediocre team if they had capspace and picks. Yeah Rockets missed out on the premier FAs guess they still got 3rd seed and made the playoffs. Kinda proves my point.

My point isnt hard to understand, your bolded post is the one hard to understand as you said it was 4 picks for 4 picks meaning no net gain. How is that possible when the trade is 1 pick and 1 swap for 2 picks and two swaps? We literally doubled our assets. Your post is just wrong you got confused cuz of your sending our pick back thing. Suggest you reread the link I provided you since you dont understand the trade.

PHX dont own their own picks for the next 5 yrs or something they have no 20ish frp to give.

 

What a dumb trade.

Stone must of been stoned.

 

still kills me...so dumb. the people that defended it sooooo hard are the same ones that tell you today that we have to trade Durant immediately...none of it has worked....but you just weren't smart enough to get that the day this trade went down if you disagreed

 

We did this to accelerated the rebuild with that trade with Suns for Durant.

Thou it could come back to haunt Houston in the future, once he retires, and Houston misses out on a franchise player they could of picked with that nets pick top 5 maybe...

 

The nets pick trade back to them is a freaking disaster. Even if this 2026 pick falls outside the top 5, it’s still a disaster. You can’t use the current pick happenstance as a proxy for what would have happened. That’s not the way statistics work. You have to accept the odds as they are. So look at 2025 and understand the odds were that it should have been a much higher pick than the nets got. The 2024 pick was much better than we should have gotten; albeit in a much worse draft. And look at 2026 the same way regardless of the outcome; which is a generational draft.

 

I agree. It will likely end up as the biggest mistake to date in my mind by far.

when it first occurred I was very angry, and then I kind of came to understand elements of it, but in the end, I realized that the net still would’ve traded bridges for the haul that they got and we probably should’ve extracted a little bit more value.

we have to hope that for whatever reason a few years from now lady luck shines on us and it ends up being a winning trade, but it is unlikely.

 

This trade might have set the rockets bad honestly never understood I guess he thought he suns would crumble but yea ….

 

A huge mistake.

 

Not only did they trade the Nets picks for Suns pick, but they traded a couple decent players for Durant and made the Suns better, so that the Suns picks aren't as good as they could have been. Pretty boneheaded all around.

 

I try to forget this trade happened, because it makes me less angry. Stone is a perfect example of dumb people trying to do too much.

 

The other thing that probably needs to be mentioned. Is these people in NBA circles probably knew that draft reform was coming.

even if you wanted to make the argument that you didn’t want to bring in another young player because you had already found your franchise guy, that doesn’t even work.

personally, I believe in Thompson to be the franchise player, but that pick would still be extremely valuable and supplementing the core or even trading it to help Thompson. It probably didn’t have to be the sort of pivot where it would discourage Amen.

and I realize that a large part of the board does not believe in Thompson as the guy, so for them they will be even more annoyed and rightfully so.

pretty much impossible to evaluate for six years, but I have a hard time seeing this end up in our favor.

we really need to move toward more cohesion as an organization quickly. Having everything so disjointed is not going to land to Thompson or anyone flourishing.

 

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Best thing we can do is to bury this thread and forget this happened. Don’t dwell on it. It will make our lives happier.

 

but look, even if we thought the suns would crumble we improved their situation with the kD trade. So on so many levels it was malpractice.

 

I still like the trade. The odds are just as good that the nets are bad next season than if they were trying to win this season. The Suns could still suck mightly and you have 2 cracks at it. The Mavs should still be a bottom 10 team as well.

I understand both sides to an extent. But I’m happy with 4 chances still at getting another high pick. If you look at the aggregate the combined chance of those 4 chances has to be a higher at getting a top 4pick % than just 2 chances.

 

Rockets are not beating Wemby in the playoffs ever so what's the point

 

I bet he doesn’t even make it out the playoffs uninjured.