[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

There's a distinction here between "Conservative" as a political label and "conservative" as a governing philosophy. Because they are so far apart, I push back on calling MAGA conservative. MAGA doesn't redefine it.

As for MAGA, it's hard to describe it as stable in terms of policy or values. Positions shift depending on circumstance, and loyalty seems to matter more than adherence to principles. Even something like "pro-business" is situational. Support or hostility toward different industries or companies changes depending on alignment or loyalty. Windmills have a special place in his heart for some reason. The same pattern shows up in foreign policy and other areas, where positions can move significantly. I doubt it will ever stabilize. I think the chaos and shifts will continue.

 

Best I can tell...

US says a number of Iranian boats were sunk. Iran denies it.

There may or may not have been some attacks on US Navy ships, but more likely, if there were attacks, the attacks were aimed at cargo ships near US Navy ships. Maybe.

Maybe a handful of Iranian missiles were fired at UAE and they were intercepted. No clue if any actually got through.

With all the tech and media in this world, how is it we know so little about what is going on in the Strait and the larger war that is not a war but may become a war again soon? We're all flying blind here. Which, really, is a strong sign that this occasional war is not a good thing.

 

Is the Strait open yet?

 

I didn't say anything about small business and I wasn't comparing the parties so as much as making the point that the Republican party is radically different now than it was in say 1999.

 

No new wars?

No, new wars!

 

Much like your posts. Gallagher style.

 

These guys have a 26 year history of being wrong and stupid documented on this board. You think a few weeks will get them to see the light? LOL.

 

China is not effected by the oil supply being interrupted?
Shameless Shitposting

 

At some point the ignore list has to do the heavy lifting...

 

This is a recycled idea. The US floated something similar when Iran first closed the strait, with no takers then. Not sure about now. This could also signal that the US isn't confident its blockade alone will pressure Iran into reopening the strait (big surprise huh).

Donald Trump sends warships to break Iran’s strait of Hormuz blockade | US-Israel war on Iran | The Guardian

The US has launched Donald Trump’s operation to open a route through the strait of Hormuz for hundreds of ships trapped with their crews in the Gulf, in a move that brought the region back to the brink of full-scale war as Iran sought to reassert its blockade.
The US operation, which got under way on Monday after being announced as “Project Freedom” by Trump on Sunday night on his social media site, dramatically raised the stakes in a conflict that had been in a month-long period of uneasy limbo.

Speaking hours after the operation began, the head of US Central Command, (Centcom), Adm Brad Cooper, said that US forces had destroyed six Iranian small boats and intercepted both Iranian cruise missiles and drones. He “strongly advised” Iranian forces to remain clear of US military assets in the region, which include guided-missile destroyers, more than 100 land- and sea-based aircraft, drones and 15,000 troops.

Iran swiftly denied the claim. On a day of successive claims and counter-claims, it also denied Centcom’s assertion that two US-flagged merchant vessels had “successfully transited” the strait, while US navy guided-missile destroyers had crossed in the opposite direction, travelling westwards, and had begun patrolling the Gulf. Late on Monday, the container shipping company Maersk said the Alliance Fairfax – a US-flagged vehicle carrier – exited the Gulf via the strait accompanied by US military assets.

Speaking at a press conference as the standoff became more volatile and dangerous, Trump downplayed tensions, saying Iran had “taken some shots” but had caused no harm apart from damage to a South Korean cargo vessel, which reported an unexplained explosion and fire.
“Other than the South Korean Ship, there has been, at this moment, no damage going through the Strait,” Trump said on his Truth Social platform as oil prices jumped over the renewed hostilities.

In an interview on Monday, however, the US president heightened fears of a fresh escalation. Trump told Fox News that Iran would be “blown off the face of the Earth” if it attacks US vessels carrying out Project Freedom, while also claiming that the regime had become “much more malleable” in peace negotiations.

Iran, where military central command had warned that any US naval vessel approaching the strait would be fired on, earlier claimed to have hit a US frigate in the area with two missiles.

Late on Sunday, after Trump’s announcement, a tanker reported having been hit by “unknown projectiles”. The United Arab Emirates (UAE) later said an oil tanker operated by the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, the MV Barakah had come under Iranian drone attack off the coast of Oman. No one was injured, it said.

The UAE defence ministry said it had intercepted three missiles fired from Iran over its territorial waters, with a fourth one crashing into the sea.

 

We are in a mini war according to Trump. Oh, and our country is booming. LOL,

Is war categorized into big wars and mini wars under the War Powers Act?

 

Mini war, lol. He just couldn’t stick to the “it’s not a war” strategy to comply with the law.

 

He's a weird one, that's for sure. The crazy clown is nosediving in the polls on the economy and this war. The majority of Americans disapprove of him. He's so desperate now for approval he's been posting pages of comments from his cult talking about his State if the Union Address, and how they thought it was one of the best in history. Lmao. What a freaking nut job, and what a bunch of brainwashed cult dumbasses. With all that's going on this is what he does after yet another weekend at one of his golf resorts and fu*king off in Florida, all at the expense of the taxpayers. He's nothing but a crazy narcissistic old con, and his snake oil isn't selling like it used to.

 

I'm not listening to that jackass at this hour while the Trumpers sleep like a baby.

I still get a kick when I remember him calling himself a "wartime commander" during covid. The same guy today can't decide if the US is at war or not, let alone what the objectives are.

He desperately needs congress to bail his ass out and put a stop to this mess. Will they do it? Not a chance. This is a country of morons led by morons.

 

Hegseth sure has a way of avoiding telling the truth. He's a real piece of work. It's unbelievable how he twists a story. I just listened to his press conference. Oh, by the way, just because you name an operation Operation Freedom, doesn't mean it's not all part of the same war on Iran, whether you call the latest firings from both sides a bit of churn, and separate from Operation Fury, which led to this whole strait blocking to begin with. We are still in a ceasefire word salad, and Trump's golf course visits and fancy dinners with donors, and propaganda spewed at his little MAGA rallies will go on. By God there will be dancing in that big beautiful ballroom. Just remember, he's doing this all for you! Suck it up buttercups. If you don't believe Trump and Hegseth are saviors of the world, and the greatest leaders of all time, just ask them. They'll confirm it.

 

Q: In the last 24 hours, Iran has fired at us. We've fired at Iran. Is the ceasefire over?

HEGSETH: No, the ceasefire is not over. Ultimately, this is a separate and distinct project.

Clown show.

 

Is the Strait open yet?

@El_Conquistador where's my gas money you bum