[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Why is this a good thing?? So our supplies are such that prices here are hitting incredible surges but we should celebrate Chevron and Exxon still being able to make insane profits exporting their product elsewhere???

If this country really is on war footing why isn’t the president taking measures to protect the wellbeing of the American people instead of business as usual corporate greed being the rule of the day??

 

Laugh all you want.

The Iranian regime ain’t laughing.

 

Sorry, I hadn't responded because I was waiting for evidence that they "badly wanted" a deal, not evidence that they were negotiating. So, I didn't realize that article was responsive. I know it will be hard to tell how desperate the leadership is in real time, and we might only know when we see the deal that is negotiated for the cessation of hostilities. If it is a big win for Trump, I'll concede the Iranians wanted it badly. For right now, it seems to be an assertion only to serve the argument that we should give Trump more rope so he can see this through to the end. Which is an argument wasted on me.

 

It shows at the pump.

 

I'm amused by the idea that Iran is on the verge of collapse because of economic blockage. That prediction belongs in the same category as the notion that a the "Epic Fury" bombing campaigns will inspire the population to overthrow their own government.

I assume this is coming from the same sources that took Trump at his word when he claimed, a couple of days ago, that Iran had essentially admitted to being in a "state of collapse" due to the US blockade. That part is especially entertaining, if the war weren't such a complete mess.

 

Ah, so you’re just another leftist dialoguing in bad faith. Because you didn’t ask me to provide evidence Iran “badly wanted” a deal yesterday. You’ve now made that part up once I provided evidence to you Iran wanted a deal. You simply asked for evidence Iran wanted a deal. But you didn’t like that, so, of course, you have made something else up and moved the goalposts.

You people are so completely dishonest.

Post #4824.

 

You’re amused at the notion a countries economy may collapse because of a total or near total blockade imposed on it by an adversaries navy?

There are many examples of such a phenomenon throughout history.

Man, you are really, really dumb.

Also plenty of examples of revolutions occurring and governments falling due to deteriorating economic conditions in a society.

Amazingly, you are even dumber than I thought.

 

They don't care enough IMO.

Ahh yes.

Exactly the same..... it is the Democrats that do everything possible to stay in power like claim elections are stolen, talk about having ICE at polling booths etc.

Luckily no party in the USA is like Iranian rule.

Yes -- Iran and Ukraine are the same.

The Ukraine wasn't invaded ........

As I said days before this happened - if Trump is going to do it --- he needs to REALLY do it. That means a years long war with 500K ground troops and LONG-TERM occupation, like after World War II.

The worst thing he could do is half ass it.

I too have eaten humus before.

 

Anything is possible.

I will just point out that years ago you said that Ukraine had no chance and would fall quickly.
Now it has been years since then.... and they have taken back much of the territory that Russia took.

Will Iran suffer economically the longer this lasts? Absolutely they will and eventually they would end up like North Korea if this went on long enough. However, that could be years. The same thing was said about Iraq and Cuba and they lasted many years. Can Iran last 6 months? 2 years? I don't know, I don' think that the US government or even the Iranians know for sure.

This also assumes that the status quo is allowed and CCP doesn't get more deeply involved.

Also -- I would count on the resolve of the American people breaking before the Iranian government and people do. Americans do not really give a **** about Iran. Americans are not conditioned to suffer like Iranians. Americans are not being attacked.

 

Let's get in the way-back machine. You said:

Then I responded:

I likely erred in not repeating the word "badly". But I thought it was obvious from context that I was challenging the assertion that they wanted it badly. Because without that concept of 'badly' there isn't anything worthwhile in your post at all because it is that word that suggests they might make concessions. But alright. If all you meant by that post is that Iran is participating in some negotiations, I will concede you are right about that much.

 

Given everything going on, it's really good that we are not at war. You see, if we were at war, it would have to end on Friday.

But, given the repeated violations of budget laws and the impoundments undertaken by this administration, what power does Congress have here? Is withholding funds enough? Is it even possible for Congress to withhold funds and then have the administration say they are not paying service members? It is unlikely the SC would recognize anyone, including Congress, has standing to sue the administration over the war. So, this Republican Congress let the Executive take their powers away and now, even if enough Repuibs wanted to do something, there is nothing that can be done to a lawless administration.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...p-scramble-to-explain-why-iran-war-is-not-war

 

Yep. We couldn't even bother to wear masks when going to the grocery store.

 

Would the spouse of a deployed service member have standing to sue over war powers act violations?

 

Yea, you're going to have to quote me on that and show me the context. If I was wrong, I will own up to it. I will not take your word for it because I don't find you to be credible, most posters on here are incredibly dishonest like @JuanValdez.

As you know, economic sanctions from specific countries and being subject to a naval blockade are two different things that aren't very comparable.

You are bringing up examples of countries being sanctioned and try to, incorrectly and/or dishonestly compare them to the near complete naval blockade of Iran which is occurring now.

Even NK isn't being blockaded by the United States. They can and do trade with countries like China/Russia/Iran etc etc.

I do broadly agree with the notion Western populations are willing to suffer less than populations in countries like NK, Iran, Russia.

But they will only suffer so much. Everyone has a breaking point. Sanctions is one thing. Naval blockade is another thing entirely.

 

and you left out the most important parts because you're a fundamentally dishonest person.

Here it is:

You asked me for proof that Iran wants a deal. I provided that proof. You then didn't respond and when challenged came back and said:

Which isn't what you asked for originally.

And, it's not just evidence of "negotiations" -which you're being dishonest yet again with that framing - it's evidence Iran has reached out and is seeking the deal - like I posited before.

Damn, you're just completely dishonest in every regard here.

This place really is a cesspool with you and pretty much everyone else acting entirely in bad faith in every exchange.

 

Alright. You misunderstood me and answered something I wasn't asking. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about where my skepticism was coming from. I am still skeptical that Iran "badly wants" a deal. But, as I said before, we will probably know if we ever see terms of a ceasefire. If they give up concessions on nukes, then you were probably right.

 

Interest now 100% of GDP

Not including the 1-2 trillion for military budget

Trump ****ed this country

 

Moronnnnnnnnnn

 

The most important emotion I think people are missing today is shame. Even just 15 years ago this type of behavior would have you ostracized from polite society. It is what it is though...our politicians are a reflection of our current moral code.