thats fair. But Giannis is getting older and has been injured the last couple of seasons. The contract is enormous. There’s a good chance Giannis loses a ton of value if he can’t stay on the court. At least Sengun is only 24 and on a good contract. I think Giannis is a huge risk if u aren’t a win-now team. And I just don’t think we have a strong enough foundation to be a win-now team. We cheated the rebuild. I don’t want to take any more shortcuts. It’s not too late to reset and build something sustainable that will compete for the long term. We need to be focused on finding a franchise player on the front end of his career. Not an old injured star on the downside of his career.
Taking a look at the market of comparables out there this Summer, I'll be honest that off the top of my head looking at it, I actually think Kyrie Irving for Sengun would likely be the better, and possibly cheaper trade target. I know Giannis is better, and Kyrie is a nut, but Kyrie is the much better fit for what the Rockets need to do with this current roster, and contractually I think it makes much more sense for the long run. For Dallas I know they hate trading in conference, but Sengun isn't a terrible fit for them. Gafford and Lively are good fits to complement Sengun's shortcomings. The only negative that i can see is they might not want to take the ball out of Flagg's hands, and Sengun's game this year trying to be a lumbering 6'9" point guard could raise red flags. .... Ideally too in this trade, I'd love to see if I could gain traction on potentially swapping their top 10 pick this year for multiple future firsts. I really like this draft, and there's some really good players this year I'd be willing to sacrifice a future first for. Just a thought. I think Irving makes more sense than Giannis even though I'm not opposed to Giannis, and Milwaukee is probably more interested in dealing with Houston than Dallas.
I agree with alot of that, and have concerns about Giannis as well. I think the idea of a "Giannis-like" trade is a better concept that an actual Giannis trade. That's why I bring up the alternative of Kyrie who I think is probably a better fit, and lower risk contractually. I also don't want folks to lose track of my point about Sengun's contract being a bigger risk than some might think. He's got three more seasons in the high 30's and I think this season really is damaging his reputation as being reliable enough of a defender to play at the C spot, and delusions of grandeur wanting to be a lumbering 6'10" point guard who can't shoot. The reputational harm is concerning to me, but maybe I'm wrong, and that's not the case. No way to know what other GM's really think in their heads.
Jabari has done well to position himself as a versatile high end role player who can fit in nearly any situation. I think that's why Sengun has sort of done the opposite, and while he's a two-time all-star, I have concerns about how the NBA market will build sort of a reputational awareness, and he could be much more challenging to move in a deal than Bari, Amen, etc.
Banchero is far better in the playoffs. Banchero averages 27 points on 22 shots in his playoff career to go with 4 assists. Sengun is averaging 20 points on 19 shots in his 9 playoff games to go with 5 assists. This time it’s that defensive juggernaut DeAndre Ayton guarding him. Defensively they’re both bad but since Sengun is our C it’s far more damaging for him to be a bad defender. Frankly Banchero has totally outplayed him. I’m also more confident we could fix Banchero’s shot selection and shooting technique before Sengun. All pointless though, if you’re keeping Amen then all 4 other guys have to be able to shoot.
I promise you teams have eyes and see how Sengun and Amen are both put into positions that is akin to pushing a stone uphill.
[Guillory] The Houston Rockets could make Alperen Şengün and “some future draft picks” available this Summer for Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kawhi Leonard, or Donovan Mitchell. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/72...locked\_article\_code=1.dVA.-gfs.7wmKBPpM6rSQ
I was certain they would trade for Durant. I hoped they wouldn't, but it felt pretty obvious after Golden State that they would. If they continue to **** the bed against the Lakers, I expect to see the same thing for Giannis. Then we can enjoy another tank and rebuild a year or two later...
The position that Sengun is being put into that he can't handle is "All Star Center" - the guy is not good enough to carry a team in the playoffs even for a game or 2 vs weak sauce competition. The idea now that to unlock Sengun he needs to be paired with a pick & roll guard so he can turn into a rim-running center is still nuts to me, I've seen multiple people post it as a cope the last week. Don't get me wrong, Sengun is capable of being effective when used in this way but it's not his main value prop, which is as a face-up center who can operate out high - aka the "SenHub" or Baby Jokic - this has always been his strength. This is the way he has always played. But for the last few years, he has not been consistently good enough at it, which we are seeing now.
you can look at the last 40 years of the nba. the nba champs best 2 players are ALWAYS in a range 25-31 years old. If the Rockets trade for Giannis what you said would happen would happen. in fact every single player (besides Tate that just turned 30) that is 30 years or older is injured. i swear if i watched all of these seasons of losing and they do that I am about done watching the rockets.
Giannis, Kwahi and Mitchell. Hmmm. Mitchell will be 30 in a few months. Giannis will turn 32 middle of next season and is starting to get an injury rep. Kawhi will be 35 in 2 months. Mitchell I guess, but I continue to believe we should be focused on getting a younger franchise player.
Forgive the "correction" but the distinction is important. Donovan Mitchell, I could see, but Ime would have to play the hypocrite and keep him in the game when he doesn't defend.
If these are the options bruh just trade Sengun for any young players you can get and draft picks and move the F on. Mitchell if I had to...but hell no to Kawhi, often very often hurt.
Weak sauce competition that could stop our offense by doubling KD and packing the paint against Sengun. It's on the coaching staff, but also the roster just isn't cohesive or balanced. Clearly we see things differently. I'm not saying we shouldn't trade Sengun or Amen, but to look at the Laker series and be like "well he can't do it against the Lakers, therefore it can't happen."
You know, I was hard on the young guys. But these playoffs have convinced me of one thing …our coach sucks at offense. Smh Our players could possibly be shinning brighter with a different coach but theres nothing we can do because he’s most likely not getting fired this year.
