At 9 to 1 in favor of Amen it’s pretty definitive who the fans would rather keep given the choice. But I actually think it would somewhat closer if Sengun could just finish shots around the rim. We all know the shooting and defensive issues with Sengun are significant gaps to close. But add in the fact that he’s not been able to finish around the rim efficiently for 2 seasons, and it’s very clear why there’s no real contest between Amen and Sengun in this debate. Sengun’s inability to make those bunnies consistently has really hurt my faith in him as a prospect. One season where that’s a problem can be overlooked. Two seasons, means it’s now a real problem. If he has to learn to finish around the rim, shoot the mid-range, and defend adequately, I just think that’s a lot more work he has to do than Amen.
90% for Amen is high even in these circumstances. People can stop pretending there are too many Sengun fans.
Nah I said on call in show. Sengun is basically the basketball CJ Stroud this season. He’s cooked. It’s in his head mentally now. Will he probably avg 20 & 10? Yeah probably, but unless you’re just a stat watcher, you know it’s not on good efficiency or in an impactful way. Just like how we all forgave CJ for his first collapse in the 1st playoff game just for him to come back and bite us. I think it’s the same with Sengun. At this point people are hoping with blind optimism that he’ll magically turn it around. He’s shown us who he is, just like all those years we made excuses for Harden to show up and be clutch in the playoffs and it never happened. Houston has some of the most loyal blind optimistic fans which is good, but it always comes back to hurt us
Sengun was our best player in the last playoffs. He didn't collapse by any measure, other than struggling some with Draymond - as does every big in the league.
That’s why I said THIS season and why I said it something mentally. just like CJ they regressed this season for whatever reason and it doesn’t appear to be due to any injuries so it had to be something mentally or personally that affected them ALONG with obvious personnel issues and bad game planning by the coaches too.
Which doesn't really say much about finishing through contact aside from FTA. Ant is just a more physical player than Amen which is obvious when you watch them play. The bolded is the exact same argument for Sengun. Amen does have elite rim pressure, but is that against set defenses in the half court? Is it second chance points? Transition points? Sengun is just much more ahead offensively. Amen had a chance to take a more playmaking role this season but couldn't do it. Considering the bolded above regarding spacing, why do you think Sengun is scoring inefficiently? He is already elite at creating his own offense (although inefficient) while leading the team in assists. Amen simply does not create offense near the level of Sengun, despite him doing a lot of other things well. Going back to the OP, I think building around someone who excels can create offense for themselves and others is more prudent than building around an elite defensive wing that will need to learn how to playmake at a higher level.
Keep neither Temu Sabonis or Jalen 2.0 "the more defensive even more trash shooter version." Trade Amen before he tanks his value the way Alpi has. See if anyone's r****ded enough to trade something good to us for Alpi.
This is totally false. He averaged 21 points on 19 shots - horrible. In the very next series, Julius Randle brutally destroyed Draymond. Crushed him. Sengun has been an unquestionable disappointment in the playoffs.
That's fair. So then you think Amen would do better than Sengun if made to be in that offensive position?
I don't really get the point of making this post or prediction without waiting for the series to end. What's the point of giving up on your team before it's over? How did it "come back to bite you" for hoping that Stroud played better in round 2 than he did in round 1? Do you gain something from giving up? This is just a weird post and a weird outlook to me. I don't ever plan on looking at sports this way.
Would you guys be open to a Sarr for Amen Swap? I would much rather have a mobile defensive 7 footer play next to Sengun. Sengun value is just as low as KAT right now, We could probably flip Jabari and DFS to Miami for Herro
I think that the ultimate honest truth to this is NEITHER are capable of being relied on to lead a team which is why you see most people saying that. But since we have to “pock a side” it’s kind of just putting down the other player to justify your reason for picking the player you did, but they are both more flawed than we all thought. Unfortunately the ultimate truth is within all this tanking we got really good supporting cast role players but no true path altering generational talent like the other teams did. Even getting Kon Kenneupel this year would have been exciting
It’s not about giving up, it’s about being a realist or pessimist too if you want to view it that way. I mean we excused CJ having that bad game and just assumed it was a fluke, but it wasn’t a fluke, he came back the next game and actually played WORSE. As a fan it’s really nothing we can do but complain or demand a change, but coaching should have seen it was an issue and benched him in the 1st half of that last game when they saw him still playing bad. The same with the Rockets, Stone should have tried to get a scoring / playmaker but he tried to trust the players by the trade deadline it was OBVIOUS to everybody that we needed help. And yet he punted on the season and it’s arguable that trading Sengun for Gianni’s while his value was higher may have been a better move too. Once again, as fans it’s nothing we can do but give opinions and complain but when we keep making excuses for the coaches and GMs it enables them to keep making bad choices because they aren’t on the hot seat to get fired for the bad decisions they are making or not properly accessing the player they are depending on or making a change to help said player.
The problem is Amen is about to command a max contract. That's a lot of cap space on a swiss army knife who can't shoot. If he develops a shot, it's worth it. But chances are he wont. I think it's quite arguable that Sengun's trade value has gone down this season. I wouldn't be surprised if Amen's trade value faces a similar decline next year. It feels like if you're going to trade amen for top dollar, this is the off-season to do it I actually really like both players and would like for them to develop together.
I like Amen but he doesn’t deserve a max I’m not paying Anybody on this team a max when we can’t even get out the 1st round
False - he’s struggled but he was still the best player and had to do so with everyone else on the team finding new ways to suck (Jalen in particular).
