[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Also, at some point, as we keep moving resources out of the Pacific and the disarray in this administration increases, China is going to convince themselves that they will never have a better opportunity at taking Taiwan.

 

With or without Trump, this empire is going to keep mass murdering people. By the time you impeach the one guy who’s just the face of it, thousands if not millions of civilians are dead somewhere. After 1-2 million Iraqis died, being against that war became mainstream. Too little, too late. Imagine a million Americans being buried. Are there even enough caskets and flags? Imagine 2-4 million parents grieving on TV all the time. That’s what happened to Iraqis.

The tools you guys are using do not adequately address the level of darkness we’ve witnessed out of this government for the past 60 years. Impeachments and congressional bickering are a drop in the ocean of this problem.

The irony of this government pretending to spread democracy around the world while its own people have no say in the biggest decisions. Someone needs to bring democracy to America, give the people their sovereignty.

 

This, when he has a massive network of intelligence and diplomatic experts he can call upon.

Then again, given deep state crusades, DOGE, Project 2025, and making it impossible for our allies to share info with us, maybe he doesn't.

 

Yes, and based on the comments of this administration concerning hemisphere autonomy, it is very likely that Trump would not stop it - only use it as an opportunity to grab places like Cuba and others in our hemisphere.

There are just a lot of glaring potential problems right now that could lead to some form of a global or massive war.

 

China is loving this. They are seen as the stable country and they are gaining so much more economic power.

 

There are massive problems and massive death tolls across the globe, with or without the USA. It isn't something endemic or unique to the USA or any other global power in the world.

As far as the US citizens having say in it - they absolutely have a say in it at the very most basic level, which is whom they choose to support or not support. The issue is the disconnect between the average US citizen and witnessing firsthand what the results are at an intimate level.

There is no draft in the USA -- and out of a nation with over 340,000,000 people in it, only 7,000 died as a result of wars in the Middle East. That is over a 25-year period of time. Most of those that did die, were from small towns.

So, all of this is very much removed from the lives of the average American.

Until there is a real cost for US citizens, more than a disruption -- but a tangible cost, there will be some degree of tolerance because out of sight, out of mind.

The history of most of the world shows that this is the case. Be it USA, USSR, various empires in the Middle East and China.


When there have been large disruptions inside the USA - there has been political change.

Right now -- for the average American, it isn't bad enough for there to be a radical change.

 

Sorry but I do not believe they have a say in it within the political process (who they support). Within the system, all the choices lead to roughly the same pre-planned outcome.

Americans are checked out because there’s no feedback loop. There’s no indication that attention or effort with these matters can yield results aligned with the majority opinion.

I would caution against your argument because if Americans have a say and they are voluntarily checked out, I do not understand how guerrilla warfare on their soil is unwarranted. They are accomplices and beneficiaries to systematic war crimes in that situation and there’s no authority that can enforce it so the only solution is extra judicial killing.

 

Great post Nook, IMO tramp thought they could go in and bomb the hell out of them and they would give up, I am not sure why he thought this but the Iranian regime just has to SURVIVE, they don't care about the people. Unless you put boots on the ground and want a forever war, he has to find an off ramp. We're spending BILLIONS for what?? To look like the BULLY on the block............he thought this would be Venezuela and its the exact opposite. The longer this plays out and he feels he has to "do something", I am very nervous on what that would look like

 

[The Intercept] Pentagon Erases Wounded U.S. Troops From Iran War Casualty List: “Definition of a Cover-up”

Amid a fragile ceasefire in the U.S. war on Iran, the Pentagon is playing a numbers game with American casualty statistics, adding and subtracting from the count as questions about the human toll mount.

On the day the ceasefire between the Trump administration and Iran took effect, the tally of U.S. dead and wounded was 385. Despite a pause in hostilities, the number had slowly risen to 428 on Monday, according to Pentagon statistics. Yet on Tuesday, the number of wounded-in-action troops declined by 15 troops without public comment from the War Department, dropping the total to 413. The count held steady on Wednesday, except for one public War Department tally that put the “grand total” of wounded and dead at 411.

The casualty conundrum came as President Donald Trump extended the truce with Iran on Tuesday just hours before it was set to expire.

Two Pentagon spokespersons said they were unable to field questions on the 15 casualties disappeared by the War Department on Tuesday, claiming only the “duty officer” could answer the question but that person was not at their desk. “As soon as the duty officer comes back to their desk, I can get this to them,” said one of them.

A day, and multiple follow-ups, later, The Intercept has yet to receive an explanation of why 15 wounded personnel were scrubbed from the War Department’s casualty rolls.

Whatever the actual number, the Pentagon’s official tally of dead and wounded military personnel is a gross undercount, stemming from what one U.S. government official has called a “casualty cover-up.” The Defense Casualty Analysis System, or DCAS, which tracks “deceased, wounded, ill or injured” service members for Congress and the president, is missing hundreds of known casualties.

“These numbers, it is obvious, are important. That they don’t want the public to have them says something,” the official said. “That’s the definition of a cover-up.”

The Intercept spoke with two people who used to work on DCAS who said that there was historically very little lag between a casualty occurring in the field and its inclusion in the system. “We got it very quickly. We could report the number of casualties very fast,” Joan Crenshaw, who worked on DCAS during the war on terror, told The Intercept, noting that data was refreshed daily.

The Office of the Secretary of War did not reply to questions about the slow accumulation of casualties over two weeks or the reason the number of those wounded-in-action has increased by 43, or 28, or 26 since the cessation of hostilities on April 8.

Since The Intercept began asking hard questions about undercounts of dead and wounded personnel, the slow-walking of statistics, faulty accounting measures, and arcane casualty-counting procedures, both U.S. Central Command and the Office of the Secretary of War have clammed up, failing to answer questions or grant interviews with experts. It follows long-running efforts by Trump to mislead the American people about U.S. military casualties.

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....the rest of the story at the link.

 

I just hope and pray we don't start bombing away, and using ground troops to take that uranium Trump is desperate to get. If that happens, the two people I trust the least to be open about injuries and casualties are Trump and Hegseth. Their malignant narcissism and desperate need to portray themselves as warriors and heroes is probably enough to keep Americans in the dark anyway they can about lives lost, injuries, and the staggering costs of this war.

Who really benefits more than the billionaires that profit off of a bloated war budget, and those seeking to get those contracts for arms, drones, planes, and weapons? It's no wonder Trump Jr., Kushner, Witkoff and the rest of those with conflicts of interest have put themselves right into the perfect spots for profiting off that grift, like Trump's family and those with big donations, paving the way into power, appointments, government contracts, and negotiators, while in turn getting millions and billions straight into their greedy corrupt hands.

 

I mean this stuff is hilarious and true.

DD

 

Dang. I gotta admit. That’s well made.

It works because it’s factual.

 

I have been INFORMED that HOT WOMEN from MY AREA want to date ME, your favorite President! As I am already MARRIED I must decline, Thank you for your attention to this matter DJT

 

Americans definitely have a choice. There is nothing to prevent them from electing someone far left or far right other than most Americans really aren’t overly interested or bothered by politics.

America is bordered by one country to the North and one to the South. There are historically no issues with Canada, which is widely viewed as America lite. To the South is Mexico. Historically immigrants have illegally entered the USA and while some Americans will grumble about it, Americans have largely not cared because they are worried about their own lives. Americans are extremely insulated. Most Americans don’t leave North America. Travel is going from one state to the next.

American foreign policy is way down the list of concerns to most Americans. Very few Americans are soldiers, even fewer see combat and only a microscopic amount die. So for Americans they are extremely removed from it. They have no real concept of Iraq or Afghanistan and what did or didn’t happen there. It took almost 25 years of wars for the US voters to make ending wars a politically important issue. Why? Americans aren’t at war. It is at best a bleep on television.

You can talk about guerrilla attacks in the USA, and that is a route some have pursued and I understand why - but that is a really bad idea because that will potentially cause Americans to believe they are being openly attacked and that potentially results in drafts, in shifting to manufacturing shifting into large scale weapons and wars and that would make the last 75 years look like child’s play. Americans will not relate an attack on US soil to US foreign policy.

You can call it Americans being accomplices and beneficiaries. First, I don’t think it benefits most Americans and second if most Americans really saw and experienced what is happening, they wouldn’t be okay with it… but America is in a bubble.

The best way to end US international dealings in the Middle East is to require Americans to enlist and see it or for Americans to suffer economically or see serious sacrifices.

A lot of my family that has lived in both places talks about it. Some Iraqi family members lived through the second US invasion and are now US citizens and discuss these topics and how removed Americans are. Even Hormas admits after awhile you are lulled into it in the USA, how far removed he is after a decade or more in USA.

Relative to the rest of the world, there is a lot of stability and insulation so most people just don’t really concern themselves with politics and if they do, they pick a side and stick to it forever unless the sky is falling.

 

if we had real media in this country, they’d be grilling him on how he could fall for AI slop like this and make him look like an absolute fool…but they won’t

they’d have done it for Joe Biden tho

 

"Tripled up level!" Sure.



Billions a day, a wrecked global economy, and a huge increase in risk exposure for our troops while the President wrestles with (ignores?) a low-rent Kobayashi Maru test that he stupidly built around himself. And tomorrow will be the same.