I brought this up in the other thread, but I think it bares a bigger discussion. I know everyone is down on our roster construction, but I don't see it so much of a roster issue as a lack of platform for success. If you look at Golden State - before Kerr joined they were a lot like us a good team that had some nice pieces but lacked a proper structure. So, bare with me here as I try to make that point, realize that most of the GS players were not all time greats when Kerr joined, and I contend his system helped all of them achieve more than they would have seperately. Kerr's system allows them to MASK deficiencies while highlighting what they do best, and we have some pieces that mirror what they had back then and even more, To be honest. These are not 1 to 1, but they will be presented as such as no two teams are exactly alike but I contend a GS system would help us be much much better, NOW. Steph - Can't play D - but is a great shooter - sounds like Reed Thompson - great catch and shoot not much of a dribbler - Durant Draymond - Can't shoot but great defender and good passer - Amen We literally have a similar core, and then you add in Sengun, Bari and Tari, and them in the GS system and I think this is a contending team RIGHT FRICKEN NOW. We have excellent pieces, what we lack is a coach/org with a plan on how to get the best out of the players we have - nor are we building a roster around a system. GS won with Bogut, they won with Wiggins, Looney, I mean their tertiary pieces were not great - obviously their big 3 was outstanding better than ours, but our complimentary pieces are way better than theirs...... If, we could get Kerr to come here, I think the Rockets would take off......in a big way, with the core pieces we have now. DD
We do not have the pieces. At least not available. We don’t have a point guard. That’s kind of a key piece.
Neither did Golden State, where they use Draymond as the PG, but really the shots are generated by the system - which is my point. DD
As soon as you compared Reed to Step, I stopped reading! I know you mean well but Reed and Steph are different players. The same way we compared KPJ to Harden and C. Wood to AD....THEY ARE NOT THOSE PLAYERS. Reed does not have the handles like Steph always had, nor does he have the ability to get to the basket. Steph lead a team to the Sweet 16 by himself, Reed couldn't get past Rnd 1, with a more talented team.
We haave done our players a deservice comparing them to all time greats KPJ is not Harden Sengun is not Jokic Reed is not Curry C. Wood is not AD
Look it is not a 1 to 1 comparison, but what makes Steph great is his running around screens and catch and shooting - that is something Reed can do. You have to be able to think back to when Steph wasn't steph either.....try to think back to the system more than anything else....also, funnily you didn't meantion Draymond and your boy Amen, isn't it? I would take all your money in poker so fast..... DD
Traded wrong player and that’s because the coach wants to play 90s ball … lineup should be Reed, JG, KD, Amen, Bari …instead of DFS (signed a vet SG guard or NAW)
Rockets have no depth. Eason is their best bench player and he's due for a giant pay raise. The starting 5 of FVV Amen KD Jabari Sengun is good but other than Eason, only Reed seems like an NBA player off of the bench.Adams, we will see what his health status is. DFS is such a disappointment, getting rid of his contract would take multiple seconds or maybe even a first.
I think it’s more like we have the talent… just all the pieces don’t necessarily fit with our young core. When you rebuild through the draft you do need to take BPA, but the downside to BPA vs fit is what we are seeing now. It’s fine though and should be expected. Imo Amen and Sengun are the two core pieces we’ve drafted and those two don’t fit together in a system that needs one or both of them to play a staring role. So I think this summer you gotta seriously look at trading Sengun or Amen and not fall in love with young prospects to the point where you keep trying to make changes on the edges instead of just doing what needs to be done so you aren’t holding your best talent back.
I think it’s more like we have the talent… just all the pieces don’t necessarily fit with our young core. When you rebuild through the draft you do need to take BPA, but the downside to BPA vs fit is what we are seeing now. It’s fine though and should be expected. Imo Amen and Sengun are the two core pieces we’ve drafted and those two don’t fit together in a system that needs one or both of them to play a staring role. So I think this summer you gotta seriously look at trading Sengun or Amen and not fall in love with young prospects to the point where you keep trying to make changes on the edges instead of just doing what needs to be done so you aren’t holding your best talent back.
I understand and agree. A coach that looks at his players and constructs the systems to the strengths of said players. Hopefully the coach can hide the player’s weaknesses at the same time.
This is on the coach as well. If he played his bench the GM would churn the g league => depth would happen. we have point guard help that goes unused on our team now. We have a great point guard on the Vipers.
Bro I was on the hype train believing our players were better than they were, but they are not. In fact, they are most likely OVERVALUED The only player I would say is probably properly valued is Reed and to your point, he’s not used right so we don’t really know his true potential. Everyone else is proven to be really good role players for your superstar to play around including SENGUN & AMEN! Enough is enough of babying them and making excuses for them. They are SOLID NBA players, but by no stretch of the imagination do I look at them and think they can carry a team. Look at some of the actual pivotal players drafted around their drafts (and I get we had no chance at them but in comparison we look bad) Wemby Castle Chet Banchero (say what you want but I would rather an aggressive player over a timid one) Flagg Kon keneuppel (or however it’s pronounced) Stone either traded out the draft, got bad luck of drafting after these players or some of them he could have possibly drafted or traded up for. But regardless most of them are actually impactful players vs our players who are just really really good role players Yall can hate KD all yall want, but he’s actually the consistent superstar we need. He’s just too old and declining. Unless you can magically draft or trade for a true consistent scoring alpha who can play solid D, this team is going nowhere. Spurs have passed us up, OKC is OKC, Dallas will retool and that’s just local teams in our region. We’re still not better than the Nuggets or T-Wolves either Golden State seems to just own us for life now And apparently we not even better than a Lakers team missing their TWO TOP PLAYERS. This organization is cooked
We don’t have the pieces DD. I agree we don’t have a system, but we also don’t have the pieces. Sengun has actually taken a step back in rebounding and defense, and he still can’t finish around the rim efficiently (a problem the last couple of seasons). Obviously he still hasn’t developed his shooting. That represents a real cap on his ceiling as a player. I think he’d thrive in other systems, but his skillset is not compatible with Amen’s (or Reed’s if you consider the defensive liability). I think Amen has developed well and is our best prospect but he can’t be a #1 without shooting. The verdict is still out on Reed, but we haven’t done his development any favors with how little we played him last yr and how he’s been handled for most of this season. Those are our 3 best prospects, and they don’t fit. The all around development of our core 5 hasn’t been great. Tari is up and down and Bari is only shooting slightly above league average in year 4. Don’t get me wrong, these are good players, but we don’t have the franchise guy we need to build around. We have a bunch of talented pieces that don’t fit and have not taken major leaps in development. Yes the coaching is a problem, but we need to get back to building a real contender. We prematurely exited that process and this painful season is real evidence that we need to reset. We are not a FVV away. We are not even a Giannis away. We’ve got to find our franchise guy.
You're leaving the biggest part out: we can't shoot for **** and those Warriors teams had great shooters and playmakers...you can bring Kerr's system to this current roster and these mofos will still miss their open 3s!!! Granted, we probably would get a couple more wins under Kerr because he's a better coach than Ime...let's not forget the Warriors haven't done crap as of late. Their roster last year after getting Jimmy Butler was better than our team. I argue if Steph and Jimmy were healthy during last year's playoff run they would've challenged OKC in the conference finals.
Cleverly disguised Fire Fraudoka thread. I’m 80% sure this “core” ain’t it but I am 1000% sure this coach ain’t it. FernTits or FernTits Jr. just need to bite the bullet.
