Steve Kerr was a complete unknown quantity when he was hired. No coaching experience. Many people thought it would completely blow up in their face. He also had no clear ties to organization, so it was even more random than the Astros hiring Larry Dierker. Additionally, Jerry West who was instrumental as an adviser to Bob Meyers was a strong proponent to hire West and mentored him once he was hired. Effectively, it all starts at the top. If the owner isn't willing to listen to others and put the correct people around him, the foundational pieces won't happen. That and whole lot of luck.
100% agree. DD what was the point of the Stone/Udoka press conference where they came out to discuss the zero moves they made at the deadline? Usually those are held after an acquisition.
"Brain deadery!" That's one I'm gonna keep. Nice fine @xtruroyaltyx. It eased my suffering today with a few laughs.
It's just irrational fandom and folks with unrealistic expectations. I personally think doing more or less nothing this season was a smart move and see no indication he is a bad or mediocre GM at this point. I think Ime is much closer to being fired at this point.
I dont know about Curry or Thompson but none of those other guys were considered beyond decent role players until they got with the right coach and system. Hell, the Rockets had Livingston and cut him. Draymond wasnt considers an all time defensive player glue guy. Key championship contributor Even Steph and Klay weren't thought of as what they eventually became. No one feared them like they did before Kerr got there. Do we have hall of fame caliber young players? Odds are against it. But I wouldnt rule out a better coach getting quite a bit more out of these guys as a unit which would elevate the view of them individually. Those Warriors players went from perennial 1st and second rd exits to a dynasty over the course of basically one off season and one major change at coach. Not saying the Rockers can duplicate that, but I wouldnt be surprised if a better coach could drastically change the individual outlook of some of these players by making them more functional and cohesive as a unit.
Stone has led us into a dead end in the rebuild. If you really play this out objectively, we don’t have the foundation to develop into a contender without a legit reset. I would say this is Stone’s second reset (the first one was bringing in Ime to reset the culture and our reputation…as well as KPJ’s departure). I really think Stone’s got to go. But regardless, we are at a dead end with many of our “core prospects” not developing as hoped and a guy who will be 38 next season. Let’s stop deluding ourselves and hit the reset so we can find the franchise guy we desperately need to become a real contender some day.
1. Choosing fvv over harden and still no future starting guard 2. Pushing for the kpj pg experience for multiple seasons. 3. Hiring an inexperienced hc in silas for the which hindered the development of the youngsters 4. Our bench is garbage What is it now year 5? Wonder how many more years it would take for stone to get fired. It was already shtty experiencing the tank post harden era, we just speed running to the next tank duration with this kd era.
LMAO…. A lot of you rubes still crying about tanking? Still crying about KPJ who ended up having no bearing on the future of the team? Still crying about Harden? Still crying about your ex that left you too?
Yawn…. Objectively playing this out we still have a lot of assets to make a major this offseason. Not sure why you are just lying about the “objectivity”. Why do all you idiots keep bringing up KPJ as if that actually had a meaningful impact on the franchise? Like we literally needed to a roster play while we tanked the first year or two.
Its moves i think why stone is a bad gm. Tanking was inevitable but with the direction and vision of gm stone we are gonna go back to tanking post durant.
I think we need a LEGIT system that highlights the strengths and minimizes weaknesses. Look at GS...they all have strengths and weaknesses. Curry - amazing shooter, can't play D Draymond - can't shoot Thompson - Can't create or dribble. Yet they designed a system to take advantage of what they did well and MASK what they didn't. This is what is missing, we have all those elements here now, we just don't have them working together. Just for giggles......we have Curry - Reed Draymond - Amen Thompson - Durant And we have Sengun and Jabari as compliments now it isn't exact, but no team ever is, what we lack.....is a SOLID plan..... We are literally GS right now, with a proper system/coach - we have the pieces, we just don't have the action plan or the orchestrator of it. Hire Kerr, and we win rings. DD
Every GM makes mistakes… Aside from wanting to bring back the Harden era (which is debatable whether or not that is wise), what moves actually negatively altered the direction? A lot of you bring up KPJ like that actually mattered long term.
The development of our other youngsters it did. We didnt even try to go searching for our next pg. We still havent now that we have this weird a$$ fascination with fvv
100% this. I'm in a work slack group that talks NBA and the other people in the group were shocked that I was saying the Rockets are in trouble in the first round with or without Luka - they kept pointing to the win streak and I kept saying, they looked bad even in the win streak - letting lesser teams crawl back into it with a combination of horrific defense and lethargic offense. Turns out I was right. This team was a mess then and are a mess now. Let's just get to the offseason where we can actually try to fix this **** show. I think Udoka and Stone should both be on the hot seat and frankly I wouldn't be sad if both are gone next year. This isn't strictly an injured personnel problem - if our team's ceiling is set by injury prone older players, then it's not built to win long term and the tank and subsequent coaching was not a success.
Agreed, it really is time to clean up shop and rebuild. Don’t let these Stone and Ime make anymore transactions. Get rid of them both. Shed some dead weight and collect some assets for this upcoming draft.
