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[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Feb 28, 2026.

  1. Nook

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    There were multiple reports of China intervening and pressuring Iran to agree to a cease fire. China does not want instability in that region as it relies heavily on it for oil. Like 80% of the oil exported by Iran goes to CCP. China has a fragile economy, and they do not want issues with shipping reliability and costs. The CCP doesn't need Iran to win, they want Iran dependent on them - but they also do not want a collapsed Iran with a complete regime change that could very well result in the USA having a lot of say in that area, an absolute disaster for the Chinese economy.
     
  2. astros123

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    Yes they asked the Iranians to accept a ceasefire cuz they wanted goodwill with the Trump for a Taiwan invasion. Not for any other reason other than that. ( https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-gains-favor-with-trump-by-dipping-into-iran-diplomacy-c2f5b8e8 ) . This Iran war has been amazing for China bcz they've been supplying SE countries with oil and other energy supplies which were cut off from the war. They've been playing good cop in the region and other nations are gravitating towards them. The Trump regime has rehabilitated the China image everywhere in the global south.

    This war has been one of the best things to happen for the China reputation. I recently came back from the region and I cant tell you how attitudes have completely changed in Chinas favor.
     
  3. dobro1229

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    More than anything China wants to come out of this looking like the reliable stable world power. The adults in the parking lot that you trust to hold your wallet for you while you run into the gas station.

    So yeah it does make sense that China will want it to be known that they are guiding Iran here into a sensible position, and one that shows they are willing to bring stability to global markets.

    I also think it benefits China as well to make sure the world knows that the Americans are being childish, and reckless. So I wouldn't expect them to be a mediator for both sides, and broker long lasting peace. The ultimate win for them is if European countries, Iran, Russia, and some if not all of the gulf states come to an agreement with the US ending up in the corner alone pouting. I think China is unlikely to get there but that's probably where they ultimately would love to be. There defiance of the "blockade" earlier today sort of seems like that's the power they are trying to project... that the US needs to go sit in the corner... daddy China is in charge.
     
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    I kind of get the sense that China in recent years has calculated that war with Taiwan is not as useful as it is to be patient and wait for the US to become unstable enough for Taiwan to ultimately have political will change to become less hostile to the idea of being part of China... at least maybe in the way Hong Kong is now. I think the Hong Kong model is sort of where I see this going unless the US restores it's power on the world stage.

    I don't think China fears the US at all if it really thought invading and bombing Taiwan was in their best interest. If they were going to invade, I would think they would have already done that. Seems like the smart play is patience.

    I guess we'll see.
     
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    Americans dont realize how much the entire global south hates America in the Trump era. The tariffs were the beginning but this war has caused massive shortages around the developing world and China is filling the hole by cosplaying as responsible actors. I just came back from a trip in indonesia and the sheer hatred that locals have for Americans is through the roof. Electricity prices are through the roof and theres blackouts happening around the country due to lack of energy. The same issue in Malaysia and other parts of SE Asia. Gas is nearly 8 dollars a gallon in the Philippines. The entire region is dealing with fertilizer crisis which is catastrophic for farmers which locals rely upon for food.

    This war has been a blessing for the CCP. Theyve completely rehabilitated their image without lifting a finger.
     
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    replace "war" with "Trump's latest shiny object to divert attention away from the Epstein files"
     
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    Well not to mention that China has uniquely positioned itself to be the energy manufacturing leader for the future, and the Iranian war is a gift to China to restore demand for their solar power production, and of course EV's.... which are getting really really good.

    I said it the other day that nobody has done more to make the case for clean energy than Donald Trump, and that looks to be reaffirmed daily with what we are seeing with what Europe, Canada, and other countries actions are being taken in recent days.

    The only problem is Trump's actions have put the US in the rear view mirror in terms of which country is going to lead, and which one is going to bloom. Looks like China is going to kick our butts in energy manufacturing, and engineering for the next generation, and US car and energy manufacturers/producers are just not going to be able to fend off the demand that people in the NA are going to have for what China is producing.

    I almost kind of wish Biden would not have put the EV tariff on right away just to let a few of their cars on the market first so people really understood how far behind Ford, GM, and Toyota are. I get why he did it to save union jobs, but IMO you cannot shield demand that long. Sometimes you gotta let your consumer base know what's out there to put more pressure on your US manufacturers to light a fire under their butts.
     
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    Let me hold your wallet BBob.
     
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    The comments in that tweet are interesting. Now I have to do some more digging about these 4 ships.
     
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    You forget to mention Biden put the tariffs in place after passing legislation which subsidized the clean energy industry. We finally onshored the solar supply chain back in the USA, we opened up more than 100+ battery manufacturing plants, provided enhanced subsidies for wind turbines to be manufactured in USA.

    Trump reversed everything and his war on renewables will go down as the dumbest thing America has ever done. The reason I hate Trump so much is he's just a shitty president who has no idea what he's doing. No president in history has helped China as much as Trump has.

    America could've owned the future but we ****ed up
     
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    Blockade of the blockade was a master stroke. Trump is ending the Iranian/Islamic terror threat by strangling their ability to make money and extort the world. He’s multiple steps ahead of the critics and entrenched DC bureaucrat class!




    GOOD DAY
     
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    Wrong again! Trump’s moves in Venezuela and Iran are choking off China’s ability to source oil imports. Trump promoting oil production domestically and creating a level playing field for all forms of energy created the energy dominance that lets the USA take on other oil producing countries. It’s geopolitical strategy at its finest. You clearly are not mentally equipped to see the full chessboard and see how these moves connect. Sorry for you, amigo!

    Trump is resetting the world order — and stacking it in America’s favor.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    The four ships from what I can find:

    Christianna - Cargo ship which Indicated they are carrying no cargo. The navy can probably look at the water line and tell without having to board it? I think? If no cargo, not subject to the blockade.

    Elpis - a tanker that normally carries methanol or oil and departed from Iranian ports. This COULD be a legit run of the blockade, or maybe they left empty too. Can't find any specifics.

    Rich Starry - The oil/chemical tanker had docked in UAE. Not subject to the blockade, according to DoD, carrying 250,000 barrels of methanol. One source indicated they also docked in Iran, but as stated the DoD claims they weren't subject to the blockade, so maybe that's a mistake.

    Murlikishan - Identifies as an "asphalt/bitumen tanker" and was supposed to dock in Iraq and load fuel later in the week. Left early before they had a chance to dock and load, probably empty. As I understand the blockade, shouldn't be subject.

    All four ships are already under sanction from the USA.
     
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    This post is titled "Will There Be A Deal?" and is dedicated to President Trump.

    "Will there be a deal? They really want a deal. We don't care if we have a deal or not. We're good either way. They called and they said, "Look...we really need a deal!". We think there is going to be a deal that is good for both sides. Make the deal or I will ... . There's either gonna be a deal or not going to be a deal. We don't care either way! We think there's going to be a deal. We've had very good discussions. They've called many times. And, we have agreed on a lot. There could be a deal. They really want a deal. They really do. We don't need a deal. Either way. But, they should make a deal. I think we're gonna have a deal. But, maybe not."
     
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    Whenever the stock market is manipulated like this the average investor is fleeced, pensions, institutional holdings etc

    lying about potential caesfire, asking oil buddies to manipulate the price of oil just delays and exemplified the upcoming catastrophe.
     
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    So if the US blockade is stopping only Iran based traffic, whats to stop Iran from collecting tolls from all the other countries that are traversing the Strait?

    Especially if Iran is using payment rails that the US has no jurisdiction over or visibility into?
     
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    THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE US NAVY


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