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Apparently you need pitching to compete in the MLB

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by strosb4bros, Apr 6, 2026.

  1. strosb4bros

    strosb4bros Member

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    Wasting a healthy season from Alvarez should be a felony crime

    GET OFF YOUR BUTT DANA
     
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    Guilty as charged. I root for the laundry. I hold grudges for anyone who harms the laundry.
     
  3. strosb4bros

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    Another day, another implosion by a supposed starter.

    But don't worry about it. @Major says we've got 7 quality SP
     
  4. Major

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    You do realize if all your pitchers suck, one extra $40MM starter is not the solution, right? If anything, this is an argument for investing *less* in starting pitching.
     
  5. Amshirvani

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    but Tucker was a 10 WAR player :(
     
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  6. Joe Willie

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    This team does not prioritize winning. It prioritizes the bottom line. We are past the team’s golden age. It was great while it lasted.
     
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  7. Major

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    How does having a high payroll but not winning help the bottom line? There are some seriously weird takes in here.
     
  8. Joe Willie

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    By letting just about every player that produced results walk because they will not pay players what the players are worth.
     
  9. Marshall Bryant

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    That's where we part company. Players are not worth what they want most of the time. But we have some owners who blow their budgets and overpay. They can afford it. You need a Jones budget if you want to keep up with them.But you will be just as insane as them when you do.
     
  10. STR8Thugg

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    There’s never an argument for investing less in starting pitching.

    However, I still think they aren’t getting the most out of their players at the moment, and everyone is also getting hurt. I don’t think it can continue to go quite this poorly, but what the **** do I know. Losing streak now at 7 games.
     
  11. Major

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    If all your starting pitching is going to get hurt anyway, then it might better to have lots of cheap ones than a few expensive ones. You could then spend the money on offense and go with a volume strategy for pitching and hope for the best.

    But the bigger thing is trying to figure out why everyone keeps getting injured. If they can't stop that, they are going to suck with any strategy.
     
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  12. Major

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    The players *were* worth that much to the Astros - not after. Cole and Morton are really the only players that lived up to his post-Astros contract so far. Correa and Springer weren't worth it. Tucker is unlikely to be. Bregman might be. Even Altuve wasn't worth the contract he did sign. They paid LMJ and Javier and Verlander and we see how all those turned out. Framber currently has an ERA of 5. Kikuchi has an ERA of 7.

    Teams that pay all their players market value will always fail unless you're the Dodgers and have a limitless budget. It's simply not a viable strategy in MLB or any other sport, really, except maybe the NBA.
     
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  13. strosb4bros

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    ... this level of cope is hilarious given we've lost 7 straight due to non existent SP. It's got nothing to do with injuries -- it's got to do with lack of talent.

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...for-an-above-average-sp.329168/#post-16128627

    Michael Wacha is $18 million per

    Seth Lugo is $22 million per

    Noah Cameron is team controlled and costs nothing

    Kikuchi is $21 million per


    You don't need CY Young aces, you need innings eaters who will get you to the 7th inning

    The only thing surprising about the Astros to start the season has been how good their offense has been. Completely negated by the horrible SP -- but that's not surprising.

    Getting sadder by the day as the ol diehard refuse to acknowledge the obvious
     
  14. Redfish81

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    They have "invested" almost 60 million into McCullers, Imai, and Javier this year.

    Allocation is the problem... not a lack of investment in the rotation.
     
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    The golden age was due to elite talent evaluation and the system Luhnow set up, allowing the Astros to stockpile talent without having to shell out Dodger like contracts

    Without that, the Astros have no edge other than the remnants of Luhnow
     
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    There were question marks but guys are underperforming.

    Saying injuries has nothing to do with the team’s pitching performance is…at the very least hyperbole.
     
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    The only sure thing was Hunter Brown. He hasn't underperformed but has picked up a short term injury.

    When I pointed out Burrows lack of movement on his fastball in the preseason, the ol diehard attacked.

    When I pointed out Mccullers was never going to be a legit SP and to not pretend, people get mad you're ruining the vibes.

    Javier has pitched in a total of 15 games the past 2 seasons.

    Wesneski has been injured since we traded for him.

    If Imai didn't have question marks, a California team would have nabbed him. They have first dibs on Japanese prospects.

    Hyperbole would be expecting Blubagh or JP France to step up and carry a spot in the rotation.

    With Valdez gone, there was no sure thing outside of Hunter Brown. Period. And we're seeing the results of that. Not unexpected injuries ruining a stellar rotation.
     
  18. rpr52121

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    Wasn't sure where to put this. How much of this stuff are the Astros doing?

     
  19. strosb4bros

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    What's even worse for the Astros is the fanbase has completely given up. They're apathetic. Like @Major who can't make a point to save his life, they've tucked their tails between their legs and gone into hiding because post Luhnow incompetence is all they know.
     
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    Finally, a reasonable take!

    Sadly, I'm afraid the issue of the starting rotation's performance must take a back seat
    until such a time as the front office first decides to address that of @Major 's posts.

    Priorities, people.
     

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