Yeah, I wasn't quoting Morey to make a point. I was being sarcastic about Morey's dismissal of coaching importance. When Morey said that, I was skeptical, thinking it was just his backhanded way of trying to justify getting rid of Adelman and hiring McHale. But I also thought that he might actually have data to support that claim at that time. Now I'm getting more and more skeptical about Morey's random data to sell a point seeing that he has not been a very honest guy over the years.
Oh I agree on that last point especially. I personally think Morey had some good ideas but fooled a lot of people into thinking he was more of a genius than he really is because he was very good at appearing like the smartest person in the room. He's still won a grand total of nothing. "Metrics" are often just complete nonsense where whoever created each individual r****ded acronym has basically just created an algorithm to support their bias, but WAY too many fans (Rockets fans more than most, due to Morey) put all of their stock in them as pure fact as opposed to objective interpretations of the real "facts" (ie, the actual statistics.) It's a very interesting phenomenon.
All generally fair but worth pointing out that we made the WCF twice with Morey and lost to the eventual champs in the semis a couple of times. That's significantly more than Stone or even CD achieved (as well as many other GMs around the league).
In the end results are results. Moreys results with the Rockets makes him a top 5-10 level GM in the NBA during the time he was with this team. One can argue whether thats good or bad, but he certainly has accomplished far more than Stone and all his coaches have accomplished more than Ime. Even Adelman with T-Mac going awol and Yao injured halfway through the playoffs still took the Kobe Lakers to 7 games. And Ime is here unable to figure out how to play without FVV.
I do give credit to Morey as a pioneering force in popularize analytics. Back in those days, like Billy Beane in baseball, using statistical analyses seldom used by other people to find undervalued players. It was successful until everybody else caught on and he lost the advantage. He was not a good talent evaluator apart from data churning and so grossly underestimated the human side of sport. Analytics is good for finding value in role players. When it comes to superstars, he ended up chasing questionable selfish guys like Melo and Dwight.
Results have to be viewed in context. Otherwise you could say Robert Horry was more successful than Hakeem Olajuwon. I am not arguing Stone is better than Morey. I wouldn't label either top 10 GM in the NBA. Morey could be top 5 in his early days when few people understood analytics. Not anymore. He has done meh in his later years in Houston and in Philly.
Les charged Daryl with the almost impossible task of reloading, not rebuilding...and compete with/ defeat one of the greatest teams of all time. And, you know what...he did it. It took Adam Silver intervening and a CP3 injury for it to be "official". Stone's task of a rebuild with much greater margin for error is infinitely easier, and I assure you DM the GM would have done a much better job. Don't tell me he's not great at what he does. He has no control over Embiid's health.
I disagree on lack of context. Both Morey and Stone had the same position. Both GMs presided over a rebuild. Morey came out on the other side with a superstar and Stone came out with, well, one borderline all-star. And you can't even argue Morey got lucky with draft picks the same way people are defending Stone for never having the #1 pick. Hakeem and Horry did not ever have the same job on those Rockets teams.
I totally disagree. Even if someone puts together a deal with a 99% chance of success there is still a chance that is falls apart. Morey being extremely smart is not a trick for sure. Guys like that put plans together that hopefully have better odds than the next guy but that doesn't mean they must win. Each deal you can only truly evaluate at the time. The person you trade for could get injured and gone forever on day 1. That doesn't necessarily mean the deal was ill conceived. Each transaction is a roll of the dice, hopefully they do as much as possible to tilt those odds in your favor. If you wait years later and say HAHAHAAHHA I KNEW YOU SUCK!!! When something didn't pan out or injury or whatever went wrong. When we traded Jalen Green and DB for KD. KD could have been injured immediately but it turns out JG was. Its just odds that are calc'd and the dice just keep on rollin.
I think you missed the point. Morey's very good at sounding like he knows more than everybody else, the proof is in the pudding. How many years as a GM and how much has he won? I give him all the credit in the world for bringing more thorough analytics to basketball, as a GM he's more fools gold than Jalen Green was.
This is very clear, Robert was the ceiling of role players and did what no other role players achieved. Hakeem was at the ceiling of star players, and also did well there........totally different stratospheres...... Okay, yeah, Hakeem could have won more like Duncan but Michael Jordan owned that era too.....
We’re 5th, first of all. We might end up at 4 if we have one more win than the Lakers, currently we both have 50. And either we end up at 3 or at 6, I still don’t think Ime is the right coach to lead us to a championship. I wish you’ll quote this comment at June to prove me wrong But I really doubt that.
