[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Yea... not a fan of Hegseth. Giant blowhard without the credentials to act with such ego.

I doubt you would have liked my choice for the position but he's an amazing leader.

 

Tired of so much winning?

 

This is not true in terms of the overall picture (not just Hormuz). UAE for example was around 3m before the war vs 1m recently. There are pipelines in UAE, Saudi, Iraq built to counter a Hormuz crisis.

You’re also forgetting the most nefarious part of all of this: the US is selling its oil at twice the price it was selling it before the war. The cost per getting an American barrel onto the market is $60ish. Its profit margin was 10-20% on a good day. Right now it’s magically approaching 100% profit margin. China is the biggest buyer.

The truth can be inconvenient but maybe it can open you guys’ eyes to the fact that you’re not each others economic enemies. “They” are screwing all of you because some people are going to make a lot of money from this war but it’s not going to be the people pointing fingers at each other.

 

The chart is for oil through the straight is Hormuz. You are talking about total oil exports. Not all oil how's through Hormuz.

 

Didn’t realize that. However, that makes it kind of meaningless because at least the UAE and Saudi are just loading up tankers via the two pipelines which were specifically built to avoid a Hormuz crisis. Iraq has a bit of pipeline capacity too.

My more important point though is: American oil - not Iranian oil - is the biggest global winner of this crisis and none of that will trickle down.

 

I'm just glad we rescued the downed pilots. I pray we end this war, and leave without endangering more troops, and killing and starving thousands more civilians out of spite. This has all been so senseless. Stubborn men, who can't come to agreements, because of greed, big egos, and their desire for power over other nations hurt everyone else around them, with their inability to negotiate reasonably. The cost of this war, and putting military spending over the needs and lives of the people is such a horrible thing to brag about.

 

Our airman is rescued. We never leave our blood and treasure behind. Our heroes are fighting for our freedom and our future. F you jihadist Baghdad Bob aka astro123 and all of you traitors in here.

 

That is why our service members signed up, but that isn't why they are fighting. Our freedom was never in danger from Iran. They are fighting because Israel and the U.S. decided to start a war

 

We have a miraculously good news on this Easter about the missing airman and all we have is cricket from you woke aholes? It is so clear now that we have a bunch of traitorous bastards in here that for whatever reason because of white hot hatred for king Trump, they’re willingly sided with our enemies.

 

You’re very naive. You must be a liberal from California? Lol

 

I work as a consultant and being here in Texas many of my clients are energy executives.

Trump and many in political positions do not understand that while yes, if the price of oil futures raises, yes that is more revenue, but demand is what they care more about. If the price gets too high demand slips and the renewable market gains more demand long term.

Also many of those companies have Americans and global employees in the region and they are not cool at all is what’s going on for safety reasons.

So while yes oil prices rising a bit was something many of them are okay with, they do prefer the price per barrel to stay below or around 100 dollars a barrel. If you can be around 70 to 90 that’s considered the sweet spot to keep demand high, and for revenues to be high enough to be turning a nice profit.

Trump thinks he’s doing his donors a solid but I doubt many of them really consulted him on Iran or that he really understood what the strategy should be. Very few of them would have wanted the Strait closed, and many of them would not want Kuwait, Dubai, and Qatar bombed in response.

I’m hoping personally that many of the wind projects that were on the verge of being funded will not gain traction out of all of this and I can transition to more clean energy companies to work with. Many of the talented engineers and workers in that industry could easily transition to engineering turbines and whatnot. It’s just the politics and the thought that it’s easier buck with oil.

Long term though it’s the inevitable play for the US to truly be energy independent and have a consumer base that has money to pump back into our economy because we continue to have cheap energy.

 

Fixed one important word for you, I think. And yes, that would be a great outcome. The planet would benefit if this regime single-handedly promotes renewables even while trying to kill those options at home.

 

Happy Easter message from the President.

Well, at least one country is getting infrastructure day.

 

I don't think Trump cares about long term. I don't think he gives a damn about the impacts and dangers on our health, the environment, or global warming, from mining more coal, burning coal, chemicals, toxins, and everything else spewed by burning more and more fossil fuels. He wants the cheapest, most profitable short term money maker, not a backup energy source that will not only be cheaper and cleaner in the long term, but will keep us from being solely reliant on fossil fuels.

 

Embarrassing - amazing to me how it still manages to be embarrassing after 10 years of this depravity

 

Unhinged.

Those who stood by and allowed this person to do heinous things will be remembered by history.

 

What a fine example of a Christian on Easter Sunday.
Devil in disguise is more like it. A true psychopath.

 

There is no bottom to the depth of depravity for this ****er.

At least The Hague won't lack for direct evidence.

 

Relax Francis.

It happened late last night and this is Easter morning. Give people some time to wake up and get the news. And the proper word is crickets, not the bug in singular form. Unless you are implying that any non-MAGA folks are off playing the game of cricket, that is.

As far as we know now, it was a tremendous operation involving some excellent subterfuge and deployment of tech that flummoxed the Iranians. I will point out that the training and intelligence that went into it was not magically developed in the time since January 20, 2025. We have a professional military built over decades. At least, we have enough muscle memory to pull this off. It will be interesting to see what details come out.

Of course, Trump plans a big to-do on Monday at the White House where I assume all the military folks will be expected to sing his praises and act as if Trump was the genius behind the operation. The White House will do this without mentioning why the airman had to be rescued in the first place or answering any questions about causes and goals.

 

Thanks for the info, very interesting. Yes they’ve become comfortable with that 70-80 number but I assure you they all prefer 100 to 60. OPEC should be aiming for 40-50 in order to demolish the shale oil industry (our break even in the gulf is closer to 30) but alas they’re a bunch of puppets and traitors to their own people.

I think the bigger picture is that it’s great to have oil prices high and barrels available to export at this time. It’s a privileged war position even if not during a regular economy. It’s a game of everyone taking hits but the one that takes the weakest hit comes out with the biggest advancement. What you’re describing here for Texas is inconvenience. However what we’re talking about in the GCC is the risk of massive long term economic damage.

I do hope more clean energy projects pop up. Oil is a gift and a curse.