[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

A vacation suggestion for the Trump family ...

 

This is what passes for leadership.

 

Remember back in the Bush Jr days when Pervez Musharraf wrote a book where he claimed IIRC Donald Rumsfeld threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" and there was a big kerfuffle and everybody in the administration rushed to deny it, and was mortified at the thought and it was a micro-scandal for a week or two?

That's how much we've devolved as a society in the past 20 or so years. Stumbling around like a drunken bum at 2 am threatening to fight everyone in the bar is now considered the height of sophisticated diplomacy. Florida Man is now writing the rulebook for proper American ettiquite.

When little, weak men get power they behave like they imagine powerful men should behave, with lots of force and bluster, constantly demonstrating how "powerful" they are. Real powerful men born to power don't actually behave like that. Its the political power equivilent of being nouveau riche.

Kegsbreath behaves as a drunken, sidelined dead end ****-up of a National Guard junior officer imagines the Secretary of Defense should behave. Its almost a parody.

 

The live Iran war cost tracker link below includes direct military spending: fuel, flights, ammunition, and deployment of aircraft carriers.

This doesn't include the long-term expenses like veteran care, replacing all of our weapons, and overall economic impacts. For troops that aren't killed, there could still be long-term costs if they are exposed to toxic chemicals or injured.

Then, you have to think about all the costs to repair and replace aircraft and military facilities damaged abroad. It also doesn't factor in retaliation that could come for years, the chaos it's causing around the world, and the damage it's doing to our reputation, trust.and respect with our allies abroad.

It's mind-boggling amount of money that we will fork out to this war instead of putting this money into fixing what's broken in our own country.

How can you possibly support this? How can Trump and his war mongering loyalists call this a win?

https://iran-cost-ticker.com/

 

Just for context, if people don't know LeMay was considered a loose cannon and a bit of a nut by several presisents and despite having top tier credentials never was appointed to political office. Professionally, he was right there in the same tier of guys like Dwight Eisenhower - he was that big of a deal in the Air Force. Douglass MacArthur would probably.be a pretty apt compariative.

His one little forray into politics was as George Wallace's running mate on the pro-Segregation protest ticket in 1968. Obviously that didn't work out, thank God.

 

Dow 50,000, baby.

 

I still can't get that picture out of my head of Whiskey Pete, standing there flexing his muscles in front of hundreds of stone faced Generals and Admirals.

I guess by starting out saying, "Good morning and welcome to the War Department because the era of the Department of Defense is over," he thought it would make him look more like a warrior. I can only imagine how many of those Generals and Admirals had to sit there swallowing the taste of vomit rising to their mouths listening to that pompous jerk act like he knew more than them about leading troops through battle.

 

Kharg Island is a trap.
Taking it with ground troops will probably cost hundreds of lives.
Bombing the infrastructure will cause retaliatory strikes on Gulf states oil production.
Invading or bombing the Island will not open the strait, so there is no strategic point to doing it. So taking or bombing Kharg will cause more damage to the global economy than leaving it alone.

 

They said the same stupid crap about Afghanistan..

IDIOTS!!!!

T_Man

 

I appreciate you posting the reasoned argument for why we must deny Iran a nuclear weapon. I mean, I still don't agree, but most people just assert that this must be done without ever re-examining why it must be done.

After we weed through the lionizing of Reagan, the argument here is essentially that Iran's leadership is crazy and irrational and therefore could touch off a spiral of mutually assured destruction. I disagree because:

1. If crazy or belligerent leadership is disqualifying, we should be much more worried about the US having nukes. And Israel.

2. Iran is a dictatorship that has done some evil stuff, but they have behaved very rationally over at least the last 20 years when it comes to the face-off with the US. I see no reason to expect them to suddenly engage in some murder-suicide pact.

3. The MAD phenomenon between the USSR and the US resulted from both countries having massive arsenals of nuclear ICBMs that could blow up the whole planet plus ambitions for global hegemony. IOW, they both had the ability to touch anyone anywhere on the planet and the motivation to potentially do so. Iran might want to be the regional power, but they won't be seeking global hegemony. They don't have the scale, the economy, etc for all that. So, the comparison to the MAD of the 1980s isn't apt.

4. What this is really about is that Iran wants a nuclear weapon to protect themselves from foreign interference so they can be the pre-eminent power in the middle east and make money and live good lives and exploit their less powerful neighbors without sanctions and attacks from the other side of the planet. The US wants to deny them the nuke so that they cannot be opposed when they decide to interfere and block Iran from being the regional power of the middle east. We will instead favor Israel and our corrupt friends in Saudi Arabia so that they can make money, live good lives, and exploit their less powerful neighbors.

5. But, why do I as an American care if it is the Israelis or the Saudis or the Iranians who get to do most of the bullying in the Middle East. The only extent to which I might care is if (a) I had some racial preference, but I don't, or (b) I thought one would give us a more favorable energy economy. On the latter, the shale revolution and America's energy abundance has changed the calculus where we can't really be held hostage by OPEC, so the urgency of middle east matters has greatly declined. And anyway, our global oil trade will be better served with normal relations and free trade then it will be by trying to pick winners and losers.

So let them have their nukes. Let them assert their power in the middle east. Let them impose a hardline version of Islam over there in their own home country (we're actually propping them up with our persecutions; if they had any space to breathe, the populace would have better footing to demand reforms). It's nothing to me here in America. Why are we spending the national treasure and committing atrocities over this crap.

War criminal.

 

They see a $1 Trillion yearly interest and said... nevermind.

 

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/202...flict-drone-successful-strike-intercept-fire/

The War You’re Not Allowed to See: How the UAE Rewrites the Story of Iranian Strikes
April 2, 2026

Bellingcat has identified several high-profile incidents where authorities in the United Arab Emirates have downplayed damage, mischaracterised interceptions and in some instances not acknowledged successful Iranian drone strikes on the country.

A review of official statements shows that the public account does not always align with what can be observed through open sources. This comes as the UAE faces sustained aerial attacks on civilian and economic infrastructure, challenging its image as a secure global hub for business and tourism. Hours after the United States and Israel launched coordinated attacks on Iran on Feb. 28, the Islamic Republic responded by launching an attack against US-allies in the region including the UAE.

In the wake of the attacks, the UAE’s attorney general warned that publication of images or videos of strikes was illegal. People were also encouraged to report anyone sharing photos or videos of the strikes to authorities.

The country’s attorney general has ordered the arrest of 35 people and said they would face an expedited trial for “publishing video clips on social media platforms containing misleading, fabricated content and content that harmed defence measures and glorified acts of military aggression against UAE.” Separately police in Abu Dhabi reported they had arrested just over 100 people on suspicion of filming incidents related to Iran’s attacks on the UAE and sharing misleading information online.
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As of April 1, UAE media reported that a total of 12 people had been killed and 190 injured by strikes since the beginning of the war.

“People are dying. It’s not as safe as the government is reporting. It’s not as safe as influencers are reporting. It’s like a dream narrative that you wish was true.” Stirling said.

Bellingcat also identified a number of incidents in which authorities reported deaths or injuries caused by “debris” following “successful interceptions”. In these cases, however, we were unable to identify supporting photo, video, or other independently verifiable evidence to corroborate the official account.

Notably, fewer videos of such incidents appear to have emerged online in recent weeks, likely as public awareness of detentions under the cyber-criminality law has increased.

Jonathan Dagher, head of the Middle East desk at Reporters Without Borders told Bellingcat that the UAE government was using the Iran war to further restrict independent reporting in the country.

“When the conflict began, the government stepped up this repression, explicitly prohibiting the public (including journalists) from publishing photos or information related to the strikes, and encouraging the public to report on such incidents.”

 

Look everyone, Baghdad Bob aks astro123 is still sniffing his braindead daddy Joe Biden’s bunghole. You can literally smell his retarrded lying posts through your screen.

 

They are bombing more infrastructure today. They've bombed hospitals, schools, bridges and more, along with lots of women and children.

 

When you have a President saying he doesn't need international law, and a Secretary of Defense who has declared that "no quarter" would be given to enemies, then yes, nobody is a bigger threat to use nuclear weapons than the US right now. Nobody.

Whiskey Pete has already said he's liberating the military from “stupid” rules of engagement. He takes pleasure in threatening to unlease maximum lethality, and he used God to justify it, with no moral qualms about that whatsoever. It's a very dangerous and disturbing mindset that our Secretary of Defense (Secretary of War as he likes to call it) cheers on taking a nation back to the stone age.

If you believe those two wouldn't lie to you then you are foolish. Of course they will lie! Those two lied and cheated on their multiple wives over and over. They sure as hell will lie to people they didn't take marriage vows to.

 

You don't think Iran is/was pursuing a nuclear weapon?