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Updated 5 year outlook

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Mr.Pringles

    Mr.Pringles Member

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    Extend Brown & Pena (with a huge year)

    Ride out the Altuve & Correa deals (won’t waive his no-trade and who would want that contract).

    Trade Alvarez, Paredes, Meyers, Hader, Walker (if any value exists), Abreu, etc


    Develop Cam, Blubaugh, Matthews, Cole, etc
     
  2. IdStrosfan

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    The problem with your plan is that players need to agree to extensions.

    1) Crane needs to update his "6 year rule" and get with the times. Extensions need to happen at least a year before arbitration. Once the offseason before arbitration hits, a star player has secured enough wealth to bet on himself.

    He needs to look at 6+ year extensions that cover at least 4 seasons of current control.

    They need to be trying to extend Cam right now.

    And as long as Altuve and Correa are on this team they need to attempt to contend.

    That means keeping Yordan because he's simply too good to trade. Gotta ride it out with him until at least trade deadline of his walk year.

    Every other star level player trade the offseason before FA.

    Hopefully they can compile/develop enough talent to continue contending. If not do a full rebuild once Jose and Carlos are done and join the front office.
     
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    I only have one question. Has it worked for teams who have given out extended contracts over 6 years?
     
  4. Snake Diggit

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    Running down current expectations for outcomes of Houston’s best young players:

    Cam Smith: 2nd division CF
    Joey Loperfido: 1st division bench player/3rd division everyday OF
    Brice Matthews: 2nd division 2B/CF
    Mike Burrows: SP3
    Kai-Weng Teng: enigmatic bulk reliever
    AJ Blubaugh: elite setup man
    Roddery Munoz: AAAA RP
    Christian Roa: AAAA RP

    Zach Dezenzo: 2nd division bench player
    Zach Cole: enigmatic 3rd division everyday OF/1st division bench OF
    Spencer Arrighetti: SP4
    Miguel Ullola: enigmatic leverage RP
    Hudson Leach: 7th inning RP
    Ethan Pecko: SP4

    Walker Janek: 2nd division everyday C
    Joseph Sullivan: 4th OF
    Lucas Spence: 5th OF
    Bryce Mayer: SP4
    James Hicks: SP6
    Alonzo Tredwell: SP5
    Jackson Nezuh: AAAA RP

    Ethan Frey: 2nd division everyday corner OF
    Cole Hertzler: SP4
    Parker Smith: SP6

    Xavier Neyens: 3rd division everyday corner IF
    Kevin Alvarez: 2nd division everyday corner OF
    Javier Perez: SP5
    Nick Potter: enigmatic leverage RP
     
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  5. cmlmel77

    cmlmel77 Up all Night Watching Houston Sports
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    So not a single 1st division regular, top 3 SP or closer in the system? That is depressing.
     
  6. Snake Diggit

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    There are a lot of very high ceiling prospects in the system, just not any that project as likely to become an elite big leaguer. I think if I were setting the o/u on number of players currently in Houston’s farm that will become perennial 3+ fwar/yr players, I would put it at 3.5.

    Kevin Alvarez and Ethan Frey have a chance to jump into that elite territory if they have very good offensive years and show they will at least be passable on the grass; they both have the kind of complete offensive profile that could have them projecting as top players. Neyens has a lot of strikeout and defense risk but if he posts a k rate <25% with signs that he will get to his power potential then he could make that jump as well.
     
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  7. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    if you are selling, you would trade Brown and Pena since they have the most value after Yordan.
     
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  8. Snake Diggit

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    Alvarez and Hader have full no trade clauses. They will be very difficult if not impossible to trade. Walker has a partial no-trade clause and his performance so far has lowered his value such that he doesn’t make sense to trade.

    Assuming everybody hits their projections and Houston sneaks into the playoffs, my prescription would be:

    1. Trade Pena this offseason. He will have an extremely high value (similar to Tucker) and he’s not signing a team friendly extension. The goal would be to add 2 MLB Top ~75 prospects plus another decent prospect.
    2. Discuss extensions for Brown, Alvarez, and Paredes.
    3. Explore trades for Diaz, Meyers, and Javier. Don’t give them away, but if you can get value back, do it.
    4. Target high end free agents and overpay them on shorter deals (ideally 1-2 years). Luis Arraez, Brandon Lowe, JP Crawford (if Pena is traded), Daulton Varsho, Zach Gallen, Casey Mize, and Trevor Rogers would be my initial list of targets.
    5. DO NOT TRADE YOUR GOOD POSITION PLAYER PROSPECTS
    The plan would be to field 88-95 win teams in 2027 and 2028 while you rebuild the farm system. Trading Pena plus the 2026 draft and developing existing prospects should result in an above average system starting next year and a bubble of talent that should start arriving in 2028-2029. Imai, Paredes, and Pena (if not traded) would be QO candidates to add to the 2027/2028 draft capital if the same system is in place under the next CBA.
     
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  9. raining threes

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    I would bet on Frey, Alvarez and one of the pitchers to be at a Tucker, Goldschmidt level and one of the pitchers will turn out to be a healthy Garcia type on the low end and a Brown type of he reaches his ceiling.
     
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  10. Snake Diggit

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    Hypothetical 2027-2028 Roster:

    RF Smith
    DH Alvarez
    3B Correa
    LF Brandon Lowe ($74M/3yrs plus vesting options, bonuses, and opt-outs)
    2B Altuve
    1B Walker (extended for $16M/1yr for 2028)
    CF Loperfido/Matthews platoon
    SS TBD prospect added via trade
    C Janek
    Bench: Allen, Jake Rogers ($18M/2yrs), Cole
    SP: Brown, Burrows, Shota Imanaga ($66M/3yrs with opt outs), Arrighetti, Pecko
    RP: Hader, Blubaugh, Javier, King, Sousa, Ullola, Wesneski, Blanco

    Traded: Diaz, Paredes, Pena, Meyers

    Farm system would likely be ranked in the 8-12 range of the league.
     
  11. Wulaw Horn

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    I think you meant to put Ullola at the top of the starting pitching list (or right below cy young winning Hunter brown) but the rest looks like it could be accurate.
     

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