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[GOLDEN ERA] Economy roars to life under Trump

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Dec 23, 2025.

  1. mvpcrossxover

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    ask the gen z graduates how the job market is doing.

    you actually think AI gonna improve and help the workforce moving forward?



    this is where society is heading with all the data centers and warehouse centers taking up all the land

     
  2. astros123

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    There getting destroyed
     
  3. Amiga

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    Some interesting data in the article below. Indicates multiple factors. AI, Gov funding cuts (DOGE), structural (chaos, economic uncertainty, maybe hangover from covid-rebound boom...)

    AI might become a bigger factor, but it's not a very strong one now. I think the chaos and uncertainty from BOTH AI and the gov are the biggest reasons ...

    Class of 2026: A depressed hires rate is a major cause of labor market weakness for young college graduates | Economic Policy Institute
    Key takeaways
    • The depressed overall hires rate is a key driver of new labor market weakness for young college graduates, as it makes it harder for them to break into the labor market. This is true across industries, not just in those that disproportionately employ young college graduates—suggesting the culprit is not a structural change in the economy like AI but a labor market in which employers are hiring less and workers are holding onto the jobs they have.
    • The information sector—posited to be more AI-exposed—has experienced recent job losses but employs only 2.3% of young college graduates.
    • High-tech industries, which employ about 1 in 10 college workers, expanded at a historically rapid pace in the early 2020s but have shown signs of softening over the last three years.
     
  4. astros123

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    Tech industry layoffs alone in q1 were 80k+ and Ai was the number one factor cited. Tens of thousands of more layoffs were announced this quarter as well but we dont have an official number. That's the tech industry alone and not counting private sector job loses to AI or other sectors. Ai is responsible for hundreds of thousands of job losses already and we havnt even seen the era of agi which will be the real game changer.

    The idea that AI will help workers is so delusional no offense cuz youre a smart guy and I respect you
     
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  5. ThatBoyNick

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    A lot of your points get lost because it seems like you’re more concerned about using these issues to call everybody a piece of sh*t every 3 seconds my guy.
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    You are correct -- no one looks for guidance from someone who is incapable of controlling their emotions. It's a fact. @astros123 would benefit from a 1 month "cooling off" suspension from the BBS. Then he can come back and not be so frustrated.


    GOOD DAY
     
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  7. peleincubus

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    Perhaps. Some people don't take it well that the US is bombing small children in schools. Or that for the last 10 years Trump & Biden have protected rich pedophiles. Maybe what the general public needs is a little more anger. Hold individuals who like to play team politics as a lame hobby more accountable. I have absolutely zero respect for Trader Jorge because he is incapable of doing that.
     
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  8. ThatBoyNick

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    I (personally) think the points of highlighting our failures (atrocity in the case of killing those kids) and holding others accountable would hit so much harder without the "dumb loser" quips every other sentence because it's SUCH an easy out for people to point to and say "this is a nasty, non-serious, deranged person" or "this is just all ad-hominem" when he often has decent points attached WORTH discussion that isn't happening because it's so easy to focus on this pissing match aspect instead.

    I'm not breaking down TJ, I only break down people I get frustrated with because I feel like there is actual potential for better discussions, and I'd just really like some good political dialogue around here.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    Your last sentence wasn't a point I made. Direct it at someone else who made that point. You have done this so many times -- you criticize something directly to me that is just completely off base.

    As for the tech industry and AI, I think I know a thing or two about that. Consider the arc of how workplace culture has evolved. Decades ago, companies hired you for life; that was simply the norm. Then that changed, and lifelong employment became a thing of the past. It was a major cultural shift, but the world adapted and moved on.

    More recently, the unwritten rule was that a thriving company simply did not lay people off. That too has changed, and we are now in the midst of another cultural shift. Yes, AI is part of the story, but to pin it all on AI misses the bigger picture. The real driver is the pace of change itself. Technology is evolving so rapidly that companies have no choice but to constantly adapt, and that means continuously reassessing where they need people and where they don't.

    This is why you're seeing layoffs at companies that are by any measure thriving, with strong revenues and record stock prices. It's not a sign of failure. It's a sign of aggressive adaptation. Some companies are still holding on to the old playbook, protecting their workforce when business is good, but I believe they will eventually make the same shift. The new culture is one of continuous, rapid realignment to an environment that simply never stops changing. AI may be a headline reason cited for some of these decisions, but the underlying force is much broader than that.

    LinkedIn is a recent example of this. In 2026, they are laying off 5% of their global workforce while their core business rose 12% year-over-year. The stated reason was not AI adoption but rather "internal reorganization aimed at focusing resources on areas of stronger business growth." A thriving company, restructuring anyway.

    And of course, it is not just AI and rapid technological change driving this. Macroeconomics plays a big role, as usual. Companies are constantly positioning themselves and optimizing for what they believe is coming down the road over the next 1-3 years. The layoffs you are seeing today are sometimes less a reaction to current conditions and more a calculated bet on the future. Often, when that future is chaotic, you not only have to constantly reorganize to best prepare for it, you also cannot afford to over-hire and risk being stuck in a downturn wave. Like Intel learned the hard way during their COVID-era hiring boom.

    We are in a period of massive chaos, change and uncertainty.
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I take this to mean that my extraordinary intellect, rapier wit, and high comedic value are at maximum levels, therefore it is not theoretically possible for my “discussions to be better.”

    It’s a bad day to be @astros123 — even his lib amigos are piling on! He needs an intervention.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Are you on the same website as I am? @Amiga literally writes a nice thoughtful four paragraph response to these folks and they respond by calling him an idiot or some other insult. It doesn't matter what you say to these folks cuz they're too far in the cult. They were calling @deb4rockets a skank and a w**** for no reason.

    There's some of you on the left that will never understand the type of people we're dealing with. These folks have drank too much kool-aid and will never wake up
     
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    I don't see those comments because I put those immature, nasty mouth circle of guys on ignore. Guys who get off on verbally abusing, taunting, and attacking anyone who doesn't share their mindset or who disagree with them, are the same types of men who verbally and physically abuse their wives and kids, bully folks for entertainment, gang rape, and join hate and extremist groups. It's a mentality I find toxic and dangerous, no matter how they try and justify it.
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    Ive lived through some of the biggest turmoil's in our life time. Inevitable rapture, global cooling, acid rain, Y2k, 9/11, great financial crisis, covid, global warming ... i could go on and on over the head lines that sell.

    There is nothing super magical about AI. Yes, its going to be disruptive, but all major technologies went through the same trial. And every time, its always "it will be different this time". The advent of the personal PC was massive, but yet here we are.

    I think what you really mean is that the hollowed out lower-middle class salary range will get furthered hollowed out.

    Gen X was the last generation to do well with a college degree. The ROI was fair and reasonable.

    Millennials got screwed. Their piece of paper cost more, watered down degree and thus creating a glut of paper supply. On top of that, they had helicopter parents who robbed them of adventure and agency in exchange being glued to screens and super heros. They ended up with picked over jobs that will eventually hit them the hardest in the AI revolution.

    Gen Z at least had tic tok to show them the college scam. Turns out working at Costco is economically better than going into a life time of servitude for their student loan. At least they will benefit from learning how to navigate the AI revolution than all previous generations.
     
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  14. Amiga

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    Every example you listed are real events, but they are acute and short-term, not structural transformations. Y2K, 9/11, the financial crisis, COVID, these are disruptions we absorbed and moved on from. Transformative revolutions are a different category entirely, like the Industrial Revolution and the Digital Revolution. The AI and automation revolution belongs in that category. As for its impact, no one really knows yet, which was my original point and pushback against "trust me bro". Absolutely do not trust; anyone claiming they know should not be trusted.

    On your generational argument, the one point worth raising is whether certain generations are more exposed to AI disruption than others. That's a reasonable question, but again, no one really knows. The rest of your post, helicopter parenting, TikTok, superheroes, is beside the point and I'm not going to engage with it.
     
  15. ThatBoyNick

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    The "they did something wrong so I can too" tactic isn't something I allow with my young children. It seems like a golden opportunity to be the sane adult in the room if your political opponents are unhinged. If you match their level of shitty-ness, then you just become shitty like those you call "them".

    Is how I see it.

    If both sides are unhinged and shitty where is the space for clarity?
     
  16. Amiga

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    Revised downward again. Has it always been like this?


    “Gross domestic ‌product increased at a 1.6% annualized rate last quarter, the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis said in its second estimate of first-quarter GDP on Thursday. Growth was previously reported to have advanced at a 2.0% pace. Economists polled by Reuters had expected that GDP growth would be unrevised at a ⁠2.0% rate.”
     
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    All those woke liberal art degrees
    Are leading them a great career at Starbucks
    @Salvy
    @raining threes
     
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  18. mvpcrossxover

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    anything affordable these days?

    part me wish all countries go ahead and launch all them nukes to end it all. let earth and nature reclaim their space to reset.
     
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    Or you can end all of this for yourself if you're in that much misery. Not suggesting you kill yourself.
     

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