I can be upset at reed when I see things like this

Castle's shooting has improved a lot over the course of the season. He was a poor man's Amen Thompson earlier. Props to him for his improvement. Now his shot is much better than Amen.

You didn't think Reed could shoot last season. You could say those posts were ...

 

I really don't think anyone is that scared or worried about Detroit though. They are a one man team, more so than Minny, Minny just has inconsistent Randle, Detroit has Cade and.......???

There is no guarantee that they will ever find Cade a complimentary star. Spurs already have complimentary star players around Wemby. Again, we're comparing Spurs to Pistons, it's not close. Spurs have built a MUCH better roster in about the same amount of time. All of these teams (including us) were all tanking for the same years.

What were his stats in those playoff games?

 

Are we still pretending he's a generational shooter on *checks notes* 39.4% in the regular season and 29.6% in the playoffs from deep?

 

Poor man’s Amen? Castle is actually capable of hitting outside shots, Amen isn’t. Amen would have to make a massive jump in shooting ability just to reach the level Castle is currently at…

Did Reed shoot well in the playoffs? Reed is supposed to be some generational, top tier shooter, and he is nowhere close.

 

It's also his 2nd year, really his first since he barely played his rookie season, I don't know why we're pretending the guy can't continue to get better like this is just as good as he's going to ever be.

 

Even if his stats were good, how can 7 playoff games in 8 seasons make someone a proven playoff performer? That's batshit insane. His stats were awful though, shot 42/33 (52% TS) with 4 turnovers a game.

 

this argument doesn’t move me…it’s been used for every single member of our mediocre young core and was used for the likes of KPJ as well

Nobody said or thinks what you typed in the 2nd part pf your sentence, Idk why people always resort to straw man talking points.

 

Because he played well in the playoff games he played in??? How is this difficult to get? You're judging him for regular season games when we're talking about playoff games?

52% for a primary scoring guard is not 'awful'? Did you see those Kings games or were you just looking up stats? Everyone walked away from his Kings stint that he stepped up for the playoffs, hell, this forum wanted us to trade for him when he was on the block.

 

I watched every game because i was rooting like crazy for the kings, and 52% TS is horrendous for anyone. He SUCKED in that series. I'm only talking about the playoffs because you said he's a "proven playoff performer" despite basically never playing in the playoffs.

 

MINN reminds me of the jazz in those Mitchell years always coming up short. Edwards is better than Mitchell but how much longer can they keep this squad together or keep believing they are legitimate contenders?

 

He was never a poor man's Amen. He has always been a better prospect than Amen from the moment he stepped onto the court to now.

 

no one said that Rockets management is perfect

 

Fair enough, but if Reed breaks out you know you're going to spend the rest of your CF eating crow about it. I just don't see the reason in not giving guys a chance to grow and learn from their mistakes, if he comes back next year and looks the same, THEN get on him, but right now the dude was playing a position he's rarely played before and on a team that was expecting him to fill in for a veteran PG so they can contend. I think given the circumstances, for a guy that was basically a rookie, he did a good job. I think the Reed Defenders are right in saying that the patience for him seems low meanwhile most of this board was giving Jalen 2nd, 3rd, 4th, chances but Reed don't even get one chance to prove he can improve his game.

Also, I don't think it's a straw man talking point because your argument is based on the idea that we should have taken Castle instead of Reed, so you've already made your decision on the player.

If you look through many draft classes, you'll see many players that start hot then trail off and the opposite.

Year one of the 2009 draft class, Evans looked like he would be an elite guard better than the rest of his class...turns out, he wasn't better than most of them. Curry, Jrue, Derozan, all turned out to be amazing players while Tyreke turned out to be a decent rotation guy and probably would have continued to be until his decisions got him out of the league but that's not the point. You can do this in every draft class.

Some guys start hot but then get figured out and never get better while some guys start slow and just get better and getter each year, but when you say "I'd rather have Castle over Reed" it's not a strawman to say that you think Castle will always be better than Reed. Maybe that'll be the case, maybe this is all Reed will ever be, a bench guy that comes in for shooting, a shorter Kennard, but if he turns out to be the generational shooter he was drafted to be it wouldn't be the first time. Some shooters take a minute to get comfy in the NBA.

 

Did you read my post? I said he was poor man's Amen EAELIER in the season. I gave props to him for his improvement. If he was still shooting like how he did EARLIER, he wouldn't be playing like this in the playoffs.

 

I'm not going to argue, it's annoying when people hang on to one stat and just disregard everything else.

Bro was averaging near 30ppg as a guard on 52% TS (Technically average in the playoffs for a primary scorer) and you labeled it as 'horrible'.

"Basically never playing in the playoffs" is irrelevant, he's now played what 18 playoff games and is logging major minutes and producing for one of the NBAs best teams.

It's clear they made the right move for him over KD, the guy that's much older, didn't play in the playoffs because he nursed a sore ankle, and also potentially blew up the 2nd young team he's been on with his drama. Which is what started this whole argument. The Spurs just made better decisions than we did in every aspect of managing their team which shouldn't be a surprise. Pop is still there, Buford still there, those guys have 5 rings for a reason and they showed it when they decided that Fox was a good vet to add to their team and that they should pass on 38 year old KD.

 

I didn't say he was a generational shooter. Only DD said that.

He's a shooter. Many poster said that he couldn't shoot last season. He was really bad. He improved a lot this season. "Couldn't shoot" for a 39% 3pt shooter is just wrong.

Players can improve. Reed improved. Castle improved. Reed started out much worse than Castle. But the rate of improvement is actually comparable. That's why Castle is still better than Reed. Who can say how they will do in their third season. Some people just want to rewrite history.

 

Yea same thing happened when KG was there. Its Minnesota. We actually know how to build a team once we get our centerpieces. '09 with Tmac n Yao, that squad was ready if healthy. N Harden n CP.

 

Agreed you have to give a player 3 or 4 yrs before you can really know what he is. When Jalen actually regressed in yr 2 I got worried. At least Reed is on an upward trajectory. I expect that to continue in year 3. But I’m worried about Ime being the right coach to develop him, and I’m worried about his middie handle. I dont even care about the defense. I really need to see Reed become a dominant ball handler. Or he will never be a starting caliber player. There’s a narrow pathway for Reed with his size. This is gonna be a critical yr for Reed.

 

That's your opinion. Castle in his first season and the early part of his second season was as bad a shooter as Amen. If Amen could shoot like the current Castle, Castle would still be a poor man's Amen.

 

I think Reed improved in the regular season, and then completely **** the bed the minute the pressure was on in the playoffs. He definitely has some shooting ability, but I'm not sure he has the other tools necessary to leverage his shooting ability into a successful NBA career. He doesn't create good space for himself (and also the coaching doesn't create any for him either) and I actually think he conversely creates better for others than he does himself but he doesn't have the quickness or handle to be a true NBA PG. I like the kid a lot, I just really fear he's the one who's going to be an ACTUAL bust rather than a disappointment from our draft picks.