again not sure what this has to do with amen when I didn't mention it and I said maybe an all star level talent(again has been an all star last year and DPOY lol) You didn't get into my net rating argument again and if you think 18 ppg is bad, you are about to get a lot of stephon castle votes for all nba teams lol
What another load of bullshit. "They literally have been all stars" so's Kyle Lowry, is he a star level player? Nope. Westbrick, star player? Paul George? What the **** does "has been" an all-star count for exactly when we're talking RIGHT NOW? DPOY? Oh wow! Hopefully we're one day lucky to get hold of superstar players like *checks notes* RUDY GOBERT! DPOY is definitely an indicator of star talent, 100%, you're so right!
The cavs have a better net rating when he's off the floor than when he's on lol: https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935 a +3.2 when he's on vs +6.1 when he's off harden off with mobley: +7.2 harden with mobley: +4.6 rating harden and no mobley: +1.6 rating https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935/1630596 harden with mitchell: +4.9 rating harden without mitchell: +1.2 rating mitchell without harden: +8.8 rating https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935/1628378 so where's this statistical proof he's making the team better with him in the lineup?
the rudy gobert that just helped minnesota overcome the nuggets and put jokic through hell? I am not the biggest fan of PG but the guy just averaged 17.4 PTS, 4.0 REB, 3.0 AST in 7 games on 48.9/55.0/77.8 shooting splits in the first round I guess you rather have jalen green on this team than mobley lol; I am not the biggest mobley fan but the guy made all nba second team last year, won the dpoy, and made an all star team while at 24. You guys would be jumping for joy if amen or sengun made an all nba team or won DPOY lol
from literal NBA.com on-off player data for the playoffs… https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612739/onoffcourt-advanced?SeasonType=Playoffs
No you brought up Jalen Green, not me. I'd rather have James Harden than the bums we've been running at PG. Keep up.
Ok so you're doubling down that Rudy Gobert and Paul George are star level players right now then? And you think that WON the argument? LMAO
Are you this obtuse and you can’t separate they while they aren’t all star talents anymore, that their individual contributions have helped their teams upset the heavily favored ones and move on the next round?
Evan Mobley is a role player with 1 of the worst contracts in the league…he can’t put the team on his back on either end and often disappears if I’d rather have Jalen Green, it’s only because Mobley will be getting star money until 2030…that contract is death and destruction to a franchise while Jalen’s wasn’t you have to be perfect in all your other moves if you make a mistake like handing Mobley a 5/269 deal Cleveland must’ve thought they had a young KG or some sh*t
I don't like Mobley either and think his contract is awful and I have posted a lot of anti mobley stuff in his own thread but thinking he outright sucks is something else. You don't accidentially make the all nba second team or win the DPOY
that's just the playoffs; mine included the regular season and the playoffs: if you just take the regular season it's worse: harden on and mitchell off: +1.8 rating mitchell on and harden off: +8.8 rating harden and mitchell together: 4.9 rating mobley on and harden off: +7.2 rating https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935/1628378 harden and mobley off: +1.2 rating harden and mobley together: +4.6 rating https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935/1630596 harden on regular season: +3.2 rating harden off regular season: +6.1 rating offensive rating is a .5 difference with him on vs off: 120.7 to 120.2 https://databallr.com/wowy/CLE/2026/2026/regular/high/wowy/201935
espn analytics has kon kenuppel with a higher WAR than: jaylen brown, scottie barnes, amen, alpi, steph, booker, deni, lamelo, etc. Do you trust that site? https://espnanalytics.com/nba-net-ptsWAR
Deandre Jordan made an All-NBA 1st Team once and 2 other All-NBA teams…voters love to overrate bigs his defense doesn’t seem all that impressive either…certainly not to the level of best in the league/DPOY
well, we are in the playoffs…matter of fact, the 2nd round is starting today Cavs were good with Harden on the floor, and horrific with him off against the Raptors in that 1st round, period…Idc what that random website is talking about in the regular season How is the talk gonna be about Harden’s playoff performance/impact and you’re telling me about regular season on-off? Make it make sense
Said the guy with the harden profile pic. The Cavs literally have a better net rating with him off the floor. The small 7 games in the playoffs makes it look better than it is, but it’s still bad
“That random website” lol ok sure. I am the one throwing out actual data and research and yall want to discredit it even though it matches with your data as well in the playoffs and one guy thinks I said every DPOY and former all star should be good I am going with long term stats that say the Cavs are better with him off than on. Dude got saved by 13 fts attempts in game 7 too
