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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. conquistador#11

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    I think he has the quick feet to improve his D and being around parsons will teach him to never bite on a pump fake. How else do you play perimeter d in today's diva association? you can't even look at those mofos, unless lin becomes one of those mofos and gets a license to pull and grab, like much of cpflop's defense. =/

    I wish the season was around the corner. I'm genuinely excited.
     
  2. hustle_town

    hustle_town Rookie

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    Lin's upside could be hindered a bit if the Rockets don't have a consistent 3 point shooter(s). Lin's success was partially due to his ability to drive and kick. And it was easier for him to drive when his shooters were hitting from outside. Obviously, they won't have a Novak (who hit 47% from downtown), but Lin was able to get Fields and Bill Walker a lot of good looks from 3...so hopefully Lamb or someone is working his butt off practicing those corner treys.
     
  3. madmonkey37

    madmonkey37 Contributing Member

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    I think he means that lin is a natural SG, which what he played in HS and college(not 100% sure).
     
  4. Vpballa916

    Vpballa916 Contributing Member

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    "he doesn't look like he'd be that athletic or fast." -Stereotyping

    "do i look like i wouldn't be fast? i don't get that." -Jeremy Lin

    i'm pretty sure he's heard this his whole life, it's probably one of the few things that bugs him the most. Obviously there are racial undertones and stereotyping that stems from the deconstruction.
     
  5. jasonemilio

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    He has a 3rd guard mindset and skillset (although not quite to the extent of Westbrook) and he is clearly not a natural PG by the way he operates and plays. Doesn't mean I think he can't get better in that aspect though.
     
  6. Vpballa916

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    they do have Kevin Martin(at least for one more season). It would have been great if they re-upped on Courtney Lee. Courtney is a complete basketball player who would have been an ideal player to grow with Jeremy.

    There's just too much uncertainty with these young, unproven rookies.
     
  7. hustle_town

    hustle_town Rookie

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    I agree. I really like Courtney Lee's game. Not flashy, but does a lot of little things well. Would definitely have given the backcourt a boost, especially, like you said, knowing Martin will probably be gone by midseason, if not before.
     
  8. Vpballa916

    Vpballa916 Contributing Member

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    one thing that cannot be disputed is his vision.

    his passing, ball-handling, those mechanics can be improved.

    you can't teach vision.
     
  9. mvpcrossxover

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    Linteresting(1st time using lin pun).......................Sigmund has not show up yet.


    Is the troll bus late or sumthing?:confused:
     
  10. roxxy

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    I am going to assume that you mean 2 guard mindset. Yes he kind of does. He played combo-guard in college. He would have been the pg but the guy who was the pg was older than him and couldn't play any other position. So yes you are right he does have the 2 guard mindset and skill set he isn't a natural pg like Rondo is. And yup he isn't quite to the extent of Russell. Some people were calling him a poor man's tony parker which I can kind of see in the way they attack the basket, can blow by guys and run the pnr. Meh
     
  11. hustle_town

    hustle_town Rookie

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    Parsons should have a strong year. Maybe turn into a 16 and 6 guy. He'll be cleaning up a lot of Lin's misses when they run that 1-3 PnR. Also, maybe coincidental, but Lin seems to play better with the guys he has better off court chemistry with...(Fields, Jeffries, Novak, Chandler).
     
  12. Vpballa916

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    very Tony Parker-esque.

    i don't think there are any other guys which he compares to as much as Tony.

    Tony Parker has his game polished down to the T.

    he's incredible.

    Jeremy, one day, Lincredible.
     
  13. leebigez

    leebigez Contributing Member

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    Brooks drop off was because he had a bad ankle, not because he lost a step. When his ankle was bad it threw his balance off on his shot. He couldnt get square. Let me say this and how I look at players.

    Take zach randolph as an example. He was probably 75% at best. Know how I know? He was missing free throws. That told me he couldn't really bend because of pain tolerence. When u have an injury to ur legs, its going to throw your whole game off and that's what happened to brooks. Go pull up his last yrs tape and you see the explosion back. The nba is about short area explosion just like nfl rbs.

    Look, I think people need to temper their expectation of lin. I never said he was a bum, I just think he'll be solid. When I rewatched his games with the pen and pad, I had him below the 2 pgs the rockets just got rid of. I think part of lin signing was other than on court basketball reasons. Yeah, I said it. I think the rockets wanted that "buzz" if the sucked. They wanted the casual hoop fan to buy rox stuff or tune in even though lowry and dragic are better players. Its not only the empty seats, its parking,hot dogs,beer, and other bottomline type stuff. This is what I do know about novelties, it wears off especially in houston. Unlike,but similar to yao ming, its fun and new,but eventually you have to show us. Yao ming showed he was an excellant ballplayer and lin will have to do the same.
     
  14. Vpballa916

    Vpballa916 Contributing Member

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    Those guys believed in Jeremy and they had great chemistry, playing together.

    That starting 5 was lightning

    Lin, Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Chander. +Jeffries off the bench

    that was the peak of Linsanity, yo
     
  15. kinein

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    Thought I'd throw together some stuff for people that haven't actually done any research on Lin or understand that he is a work in progress, one of his greatest assets - desire to continue to improve.

    Evolution of a Point Guard
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/s...y-lin-as-a-point-guard.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

    Short excerpt


    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/whVEiYap1F4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whVEiYap1F4


    NBA rematch Lin v Wall
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SUE1VvQ4Z60" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUE1VvQ4Z60

    HS, College, Summer League, D League, NBA - the people that keep saying fluke and its a flash in the pan are ignoring his continuing growth over the years. His work ethic hasn't changed.


    Jeremy Lin's HS Coach talks to ESPN radio about Lin
    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=7582769

    HS Coach Interview
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-school-coach-recalls-a-star-on-the-rise.html

    Misled by Stanford
    http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/02/10/coach-says-jeremy-lin-was-misled-by-stanford-coach/




    Jeremy Lin movement - Pre NBA.

    http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/12/15/1201646/bow-to-the-jeremy-lin-movement-b-o


    Summer of Glove
    Gary Payton talks about his training with Jeremy Lin
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577241710317187398.html

    5 things you didn't know about Jeremy Lin
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-02-15/Five-things-to-know-about-Jeremy-Lin/53105910/1



    Interview w/ Doc on JLin March 2012
    Part 1
    http://www.jeremylin.net/2012/03/amazing-interview-with-doc-sheppler.html


    Part 2
    http://www.jeremylin.net/2012/03/amazing-interview-with-doc-scheppler.html

    Part 3
    http://www.jeremylin.net/2012/03/amazing-interview-with-doc-scheppler_10.html

    Jeremy Lin - Bay Area Trainers Helped Make JLin
    http://ibytes.net/bay-area-trainers...better-stronger-faster-san-jose-mercury-news/

    Slam Online - Jeremy Lin Bam Score
    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/life-in-the-fast-lane/

    JLin can catch up and block DRose, he is fast enough to strip Rose.
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/T8zKjGgzGQw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Kobe's Opinion on Jeremy Lin
    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jo8ciqZmcRU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    http://youtu.be/jo8ciqZmcRU


    2012 Offseason, Lin's training again w/Sparta again :)

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EWJ458aYhF0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWJ458aYhF0

    * posted youtube urls because I'm not sure the embeds will work.

    The Press Conference if you missed it 28+ minutes
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wFrz3lqzhd4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Jeremy Lin is only 23 - massive upside.

    Huge Clutch Gene since High School. He's still just starting out his career, years and years and years to improve and evolve.

    The guys a gamer, a baller, he thrives on improving over time. His game is predicated on leadership, teamwork, and winning - not being the best @ his position per se as much as identifying areas he can improve and then getting to work. One of the most noticeable aspects is his desire to win and desire to enjoy the game.

    Excited to watch the Rockets this coming season!

     
  16. CoolColJ

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    He played PG in highschool - won a state title too...

    <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PiG1h5S3vh8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dB4-7-RPNKM?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  17. Vpballa916

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    you made excellent points.

    I do agree that Dragic and Lowry are better at this point in their respective careers--compared to Jeremy.

    But how long have Dragic and Lowry been in the league compared to Jeremy? i think this is a factor that the Rockets have taken into consideration.

    For all intents and purposes, Lin was really a rookie.(factoring in his lack of playing time his first season)

    I do think Jeremy has something special. He has the ability to inspire his teammates, this isn't something that you can teach.

    I think Jeremy has the potential to be better than both Dragic and Lowry--with more experience under his belt.

    Houston is obviously in rebuilding mode. There are going to be tough times ahead. This team isn't built to win immediately, but they will steadily improve if they have the right leader paving the way.

    i'm al-Lin, yo
     
  18. dantian

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    His upside is the same as Nash, Stockton, Parker, Kevin Johnson.
    At similar stage in their career, Nash and Parker were as good, by far not as clutch as Lin. Nash improved gradually over 5 seasons before he would count as top 10 in the league. Yet, Cuban didn't believe in his staying healthy and lost him to Suns in 2004. The rationale? Nash was doing all the crazy moves like fall-down jumper in the paint to be effectve, and he is white, i.e. not athletic at all. (In some sense, pairing with Amare sustained Nash's career in that he no longer needed to do too much of those crazy moves to still be effective.) What Nash has been doing is to go to film room and gym each offseason to correct and optimize his motions on the court, which minimizes the chance of his getting injured too easily as a byproduct. In any case, Nash really studied the game more than anybody to be where he is, without much heralded athleticism.
    Stockton was a star from the beginning. I'd rank his athletic ability a bit above Nash. He is a much better defender all along. Unlike Nash, he was relying more on simple and fundamental moves to be effective as PG. He is the best off-ball PG, with his running and setting picks/screens, and his catch and shoot.

    So, compared to Stockton and Nash, Lin has much better athleticism as the basis and better defense already now, and as clutch as they were in their prime. He is not as good yet with ball-handling, passing, shooting. But there is no reason to doubt that Lin is determined to work on them, in the manner Nash did to improve himself. There is no reason to believe that Lin's stats wouldn't match or surpass Nash's for similar years of experience, barring severe injuries. However, I'd like Lin to emulate Stockton and become a cross of Stockton/TonyParker, more than Nash with too many crazy moves around the basket.
    In short, SKY is the limit. Peace! :)
     
  19. kinein

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    Jeremy Lin's HS coach is surprised, too
    http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7574452/jeremy-lin-high-school-coach-surprised-too

    Excerpt
    ESPN Sports Science

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/inarvjDJuHo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  20. raskol

    raskol Contributing Member

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    If you don't mind me asking, how many of his games have you seen in its entirety?
     

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